Evidence of meeting #51 for Public Safety and National Security in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Leif-Erik Aune

4:40 p.m.

The Clerk

The question is whether the decision by the chair shall be upheld.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

Whether the chair's decision shall be upheld?

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Just for clarification, the decision of the chair was....

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

The decision of the chair was to suggest that it would not be in order at this point due to the fact that there are other people on the list.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

The motion is not in order.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

That's correct.

(Ruling of the chair overturned [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The chair has been overruled, so at this point the question now will be put, in order—

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Mr. Chair, on a point of order, I don't think the overruling of the chair makes the motion in order.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Norlock Conservative Northumberland—Quinte West, ON

This is debate.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

It's a point of order, Mr. Norlock.

One can say that someone moves a motion that is not in order—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Mr. Harris, the challenge with this...and I understand your point of order, but according to the rules it is not debatable.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Having done what they did in an act of desperation, overruling you, that doesn't make the motion he now wishes to make in order.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Yes, it does.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Really?

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Yes, it does, the reason being the chair ruled it out of order, and that decision was challenged. Therefore, had the chair ruled differently, your point would be absolutely valid, but it was not.

We will now go to Madam Doré Lefebvre.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

Mr. Chair, I would like some clarification, so that I can understand the motion before us. Is this a vote on the subamendment put forward by the parliamentary secretary or a vote on the subamendment, the amendment and the main motion?

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

What was put before the floor was to vote, first of all on the subamendment, then on the amended amendment, and then on the motion. The chair obviously did not support it, but it was challenged, so that is where we are. Of course it is not debatable, so we will now go to the vote.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

I would like something else explained to me. We can no longer debate the amendment as amended or the main motion between votes.

Is that right?

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

That's correct.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

Wow!

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Okay, we'll have a vote on the subamendment.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

They don't want to hear from me, do they?

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

We'll now have the vote on the subamendment.

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NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

I request a recorded vote, please.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

We'll have a recorded vote.

(Subamendment agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4) [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will now have the vote on the amended amendment of Mr. Garrison.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

I request a recorded vote, please.