Evidence of meeting #11 for Public Safety and National Security in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-7.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brendan McKenna  British Columbia, Mounted Police Professional Association of Canada
Patrick Mehain  President, British Columbia, Mounted Police Professional Association of Canada
Paul Dupuis  President, Quebec Mounted Police Members' Association
James R. K. Duggan  Legal Adviser, Quebec Mounted Police Members' Association
Mark Rowlinson  Executive Assistant to the National Director, United Steelworkers
Paul Champ  Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

Paul Champ

That's one, yes. There's that one and there's another one that they link to in it.

Yes, I read it.

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

We see that some progress has been made by the RCMP—I think they deserve some credit for that—with respect to gender and diversity. Is that a fair statement?

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

Paul Champ

I see the statistics, but I have to confess that I've been involved in enough human rights cases at the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal that I often doubt how those statistics are created.

I have to confess in all fairness that when I read that report, “Results and Respect in the RCMP Workplace”, I'll say frankly, I didn't believe it.

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

On the surface of it, though,—

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

Paul Champ

On the surface of it—

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

—the numbers look better than they did, let's say, a couple of years ago. Is that a fair statement?

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

All right.

With respect to workplace culture and harassment, we see that there is an increase in the number of grievances in this report. Am I right about that?

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Some of those deal with harassment. Is that also correct?

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Now, you point out that there is a real backlog. That some of these cases take years. Four years, I think, was the figure that you provided us.

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

That's notwithstanding the existence of internal tools that are used by the government in its role as the employer for the public service. What I'm referring to is the code of conduct that applies to the RCMP—

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

—and other Treasury Board policies that also apply, such as the Values and Ethics Code for the Public Sector.

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Lawyer, Champ and Associates, As an Individual

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Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

State your point of order.

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Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Because Mr. Mendicino is taking his time exclusively to question the witness on a report that the witness revealed had quickly appeared on a website and that is not before this committee, I would ask that Mr. Mendicino table this report, and that the government not slip it onto a website. It should be before this committee now, particularly if a line of questioning is proceeding on that report, which we have not seen and which has not been tabled.

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

This is disrupting my lightning round, Mr. O'Toole.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

It has that added bonus.

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Was that the goal?

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Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Mr. Champ mentioned this report and says he doubts the numbers. To be frank, I think this committee should be seized with this report.