There were some significant changes to the provision of chaplaincy support across the country, and I think they're fairly well documented. We're still seeing the effect of these. It varies across different regions of the country. It's operating a little differently even within some institutions within regions.
It's not as dire as it was when the contracts for the part-time chaplains were first not renewed. Then there was a call for proposals to go to a more centralized process.
I think the best thing I can tell you, Chair, is that the jury is still out.
We have a parallel issue with the role of elders in terms of providing spiritual support to indigenous men and women. Elders are increasingly feeling either—and these are the words they've used to me—marginalized or co-opted, in terms of their role, but their role, by the way, is guaranteed in law, much as is the case with other chaplaincy or spiritual supports.
The simple answer to your question is that we're still learning more about the impact of those changes and cuts.