Evidence of meeting #30 for Public Safety and National Security in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-51.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John West  As an Individual
Alnoor Gova  As an Individual
Jamie May  As an Individual
Barbara Taylor  As an Individual
Jesse Schooff  As an Individual
Laura Tribe  As an Individual
Maria Pazmino  As an Individual
Joshua Paterson  As an Individual
Judy Hanazawa  As an Individual
Joey Bowser  As an Individual
John Taylor  As an Individual
Maurice Mills  As an Individual
Brian Sproule  As an Individual
Michael Burnside  As an Individual
Kathryne Ayres  As an Individual
Stephen Ellis  As an Individual
Letchumanapihai Pathmayohan  As an Individual
Robert Feher  As an Individual
Minah Lee  As an Individual
Joseph Theriault  As an Individual
Rukshana Homi  As an Individual
Kathy Shimizu  As an Individual

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

I've never heard the term.

7:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Rukshana Homi

Okay, well, you're about to learn, “it may... [be] difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived...external threat”. That was by Zbigniew Brzezinski, a big player in politics.

“ Today Americans would be outraged if troops entered LA; tomorrow they'll be grateful. This is especially true if they were told that there was a threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated”—that's the key word—“which threatened their very existence. It is then that people will plead with their leaders to deliver them from this evil, and individual rights will be willingly relinquished.” That's Henry Kissinger, another big player in politics.

“The truth...is...the plans are there...in the name of stopping terrorism...invoke the military and arrest Americans”—and presumably, Canadians—“and hold them in detention camps.” Congressman Henry Gonzalez said that in 1988.

The elephant in the room that I'm speaking about is false flag operations. I would suggest, please, if you don't know what it is, study it and study it, and investigate it, because it is the oldest trick in the book. So much of what we hear about the t-word.... It used to be the c-word, communism, the big bogeyman, and now it's the t-word. Please, I ask you to understand, terrorism is a growth industry. Who profits from the war on terror? The banksters, the military industrial complex, the elites who are running this world at the CFR.

Please open your eyes to what is really happening there. These are the people who profit from phony terrorism. If you think everything that's delivered to you on CBC, which is corporate controlled.... It's completely controlled media now, everywhere, even the CIA. William Colby said that anybody who has any influence in media is controlled. It's a rigged game. If you think, when you watch television, that the latest horrible event is true to form, please question and investigate that. Investigate it like your life depends on it, your family's life depends on it, and your country's future depends on it.

Nothing kills democracy, freedom, and truth, and implements agendas, like false flag operations. History is littered with them. Please, I beg you, if you don't know them, then you better study them. They've been happening throughout history, and they're happening up until today. That is the guise under which Bill C-51, and all other draconian measures leading to a Big Brother security state, which is not security at all but a police state, can literally decimate our country and our sovereignty. This is your duty. You must know what this term is about. Any time you're told that such and such an act has happened, you are obliged to investigate it and not just take it at face value from what the propaganda says in the National Post and the CBC, and all the others.

Thank you.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you. You didn't sound unprepared, just let me tell you that.

The last one we have now is Kathy Shimizu.

7:25 p.m.

Kathy Shimizu As an Individual

Hi, my name is Kathy Shimizu. I'm also not very.... I was very prepared, but I think now I'm not very prepared.

I just wanted to speak because I'm also a member of the Greater Vancouver Japanese Canadian Citizens’ Association human rights committee. I'm a Sansei—I'm a third generation Japanese Canadian—and both my parents and their families were interned during the Second World War. So I ask you to repeal Bill C-51, which I guess is now a law, along with Bill C-24.

The rights of Canadians have been violated in the past, and this law is the same. It goes down that road, and it's dangerous to the rights of all Canadians. Bill C-51 is not needed because the Criminal Code covers all of the illegal activities that it purports to help us fight. If people are doing illegal activities in Canada, the Criminal Code covers this. You don't need this. As other people have said, this is draconian. It's about racism, and it's about fearmongering, and I ask you to learn from history. Don't make the mistakes of the past.

As a Japanese Canadian I am proud of my heritage and the Government of Canada has already acknowledged that it was a totally wrong act to imprison its own citizens. This kind of bill leads to the same kinds of things, and I ask you to stand on the right side freedom and the rights of all Canadians.

Thank you.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much.

We have a question for you, I believe, Kathy.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

First of all, thank you very much for sharing that with us.

I just wanted to let you know that with regard to Bill C-24, the House of Commons did pass it on third reading, so it is in the Senate right now being debated. That's just a matter of clarification for you.

7:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Kathy Shimizu

Okay, so we should be phoning our senators?

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

I'll leave that to your best judgment, but yes.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much.

That brings—

7:25 p.m.

As an Individual

John West

Before we close I do have a question for you gentlemen, especially to Mr. MP Liberal Prosecutor.

Why have you, as a prosecutor, as a Canadian, never followed up on your sworn responsibility to ensure that the fraud perpetrated by the Liberals more than 42 years ago, giving the Bank of Canada away, putting Canadians into $1.3 billion in debt—

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much.

7:25 p.m.

As an Individual

John West

I will have my final word, sir—

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

I want to thank everybody for attending tonight, and want to thank you for your really very civil and helpful comments, they are going to fuel our work. This is early in the process, and the committee will be taking its time. You have flagged issues for us, and that helps us set our work agenda. This is not the end of the story, it's the beginning of the story.

I want to thank you for taking your time. I want to let you know as well that there were protestors outside, I invited them in, I'm glad you were here, I wish they had come in too because it's very important that we keep doing this. So thank you for being here, and I wish you all the very best.

7:25 p.m.

A voice

They were here and made presentations.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

So someone did come in.

7:25 p.m.

As an Individual

John West

You had the last word, you're a fraud, you're a sellout to this nation.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

This meeting is adjourned