Evidence of meeting #48 for Public Safety and National Security in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nancy Miles  Senior Legal Counsel, Privy Council Office
Allen Sutherland  Assistant Secretary, Machinery of Government, Privy Council Office
Heather Sheehy  Director of Operations, Machinery of Government, Privy Council Office
John Davies  Director General, National Security Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Just one moment.

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Conservative

Tony Clement Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON

It's paragraph 8(1)(b), rather than—

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Conservative

Dianne Lynn Watts Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

Oh, paragraph 8(1)(b).

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Yes. Clause 31 will now mirror our amended paragraph 8(1)(b), which we all voted in support of.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dianne Lynn Watts Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

Okay.

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Liberal

Marco Mendicino Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Does that clarify it?

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Conservative

Dianne Lynn Watts Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

Yes.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Are there any other comments?

(Amendment agreed to)

(Clause 31 as amended agreed to)

On clauses 32 to 46—

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I think Mr. Rankin or Mr. Dubé was going to consider bringing an amendment here.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Okay.

Mr. Rankin.

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NDP

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Are we at clause 47 now?

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

We just finished clause 31. We have clauses 32 to 46, and then we'd move to clause 47.

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NDP

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

We had moved amendment NDP-4.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Sure, that is admissible.

We will now look at amendment NDP-4, which would provide a new clause. This is on page 17 in your document.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

I'm asking for unanimous consent to withdraw that, and I will propose a new amendment, if I have the committee's agreement.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

You don't need to withdraw it, apparently; you just don't need to move it.

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NDP

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Okay. It's not moved, and I would move a new amendment, if that's okay.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Move a new amendment.

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NDP

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

I'll read this carefully:

Duty to inform 31.1 The Committee must inform the appropriate Minister and the Attorney General of Canada of any activity that is carried out by a department and is related to national security or intelligence and that, in the Committee's opinion, may not be in compliance with the law.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Do we have copies of that? I believe we do.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Yes, we do have copies.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

We're just getting them now. Go ahead.

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NDP

Matthew Dubé NDP Beloeil—Chambly, QC

While those copies are being circulated, by way of an explanation, we did speak with some of the witnesses about what's prescribed in the National Defence Act in terms of the whistle-blowing duty that CSE has to report to the appropriate minister and the Attorney General of any activity that may not be in compliance with the law. This is wording that we were able to agree on to get this amendment through, and it was moved from where I originally placed it, just to keep it more in line with the content of the bill.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Just to clarify, this then becomes a new clause between clauses 31 and 32. This is new clause 31.1, moved by Mr. Dubé. You're just getting copies now so you can see it.

I believe everybody has that now in front of them. Is there any further discussion?

Ms. Damoff.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

We're happy to support this amendment that Mr. Rankin has put forward.