Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Safety and National Security in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pre-clearance.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Robert Ashton  President, International Longshore and Warehouse Union Canada
Daniel-Robert Gooch  President, Canadian Airports Council
Janik Reigate  Director, Customer and Agency Development, Greater Toronto Airports Authority
Maryscott Greenwood  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian American Business Council
Alroy Chan  Senior Director, Corporate Development, Rocky Mountaineer

May 29th, 2017 / 3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Mr. Robert Oliphant (Don Valley West, Lib.)) Liberal Rob Oliphant

I'm going to call this meeting to order. This is, shockingly, the 66th meeting of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. We're called to order to consider Bill C-23, an act respecting the pre-clearance of persons and goods in Canada and the United States.

However, I am always a little worried about the possibility of votes in the House, so before we do that I would like to get a piece of business done so we can get it out of the way.

You have in front of you the report of the subcommittee on agenda and procedure. I would entertain a motion to amend only one part of that seventh report. Instead of voting on the main estimates at the end of the meeting, I'd like to try to do that now in case there's a vote call or something, so we don't get into trouble on that.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Miller Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

I so move, Chair.

(Motion agreed to)

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Now we will consider the amended report from the subcommittee on agenda and procedure. Are there any questions?

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

We'll begin with the main estimates.

I would seek unanimous consent to consider all those votes as one vote and do it once. Do I have unanimous consent for that?

3:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Okay.

CANADA BORDER SERVICES AGENCY

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$1,388,555,431

Vote 5—Capital expenditures..........$202,466,241

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$526,615,028

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

CIVILIAN REVIEW AND COMPLAINTS COMMISSION FOR THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$9,020,809

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

CORRECTIONAL SERVICE OF CANADA

Vote 1—Operating expenditures, grants and contributions..........$1,962,343,216

Vote 5—Capital expenditures..........$208,941,724

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$123,231,161

Vote 5—Grants and contributions..........$914,540,358

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

OFFICE OF THE CORRECTIONAL INVESTIGATOR OF CANADA

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$4,102,301

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

PAROLE BOARD OF CANADA

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$40,677,794

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$1,888,011,496

Vote 5—Capital expenditures..........$327,465,645

Vote 10—Grants and contributions..........$233,573,483

(Votes 1, 5, and 10 agreed to on division)

ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE EXTERNAL REVIEW COMMITTEE

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$847,634

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

SECURITY INTELLIGENCE REVIEW COMMITTEE

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$4,476,578

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

Finally, shall the chair report the main estimates for 2017-18, less the amount voted in interim supply, to the House?

3:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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An hon. member

On division.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Just by way of announcement—and I was able to mention it to all three of the parties today—we had sent out a notice to say that the amendments were due today at five o'clock for the consideration of Bill C-23; however, I've had a request to have that extended because some are not quite ready yet. I've agreed to that, so we will extend this for another week, meaning that we will do clause-by-clause consideration some time in the near future. We have officials coming for supplementary estimates (A), and we have consideration of Bill C-23, which we may be able to juggle to do our consideration of clause-by-clause. I just wanted to let folks know that you now have a week to improve your amendments. You also then don't need to put your amendments in before we hear our witnesses, which I think is also better.

We continue now with the consideration of Bill C-23, and we have a number of guests with us today.

In the first hour we're going to hear from the Canadian Airports Council, Mr. Gooch, the president; the International Longshore & Warehouse Union of Canada, by video conference, with Mr. Ashton; and the GTAA, Ms. Reigate.

We'll have all the opening statements first, and then we'll have questions to any of the witnesses from committee members after the three statements.

If you're okay with this, I'd like to start with Mr. Ashton, because we have you connected. You have 10 minutes to give an opening statement.

3:35 p.m.

Robert Ashton President, International Longshore and Warehouse Union Canada

Good afternoon. Thank you for inviting the International Longshore and Warehouse Union Canada to participate in your important review of the pre-clearance act, 2016.

ILWU Canada represents about 6,000 women and men who work at marine transportation facilities on Canada's west coast. We are a vital component in the efficient movement of goods and people into and out of Canada via the ports and cruise ship terminals in British Columbia.

In the early 2000s, Transport Canada introduced the marine security clearance program. Since that time, to be employed as a longshore worker with access to restricted areas, including the high-security cruise ship facility, you must first obtain a security clearance from Transport Canada. This is a robust program that involves extensive background checks on applicants, including drawing on information supplied by U.S. authorities. The goal of the program is to prevent people with ties to criminal and/or terrorist organizations from having access to these important marine facilities.

This program has warts. A person can be refused a clearance on the simple basis of association. In other words, you can be refused a clearance if your brother-in-law or sister-in-law happens to have a criminal record. This is important context for your deliberations about Bill C-23.

For the record, I want to tell you that ILWU Canada supports the pre-clearance regime as it is today. Expanding it, as is, would reach the economic goals that the government has set for Bill C-23 without the significant problems that come with the new additions.

You have heard a great deal of testimony about the bill's potential impact on Canadian travellers. I want to make you familiar with an issue with Bill C-23 that I do not believe has been presented to your committee to date.

As you know, the bill is intended to establish the required authorities arising from the Land, Rail, Marine, and Air Transport Preclearance Agreement, otherwise known as LRMA, signed by Canada and the United States governments in March 2015. I would like to bring to your attention the negative effects that the bill will have on working Canadians, members of the middle class.

According to article VI, paragraph 1, of the LRMA, the people who work at the ports and cruise ship facilities in Vancouver, and possibly up and down the west coast, are covered by it.

We have been briefed by Transport Canada officials that once the LRMA is in force, Homeland Security in the United States will be given the opportunity to provide derogatory information, whatever that may be, on each employee requiring unescorted access to pre-clearance areas through normal employee security certification and recertification processes. As we understand, this information would be supplied directly to our employers, without any right to know it or to dispute it being afforded to the worker.

We are concerned that this process is separate from the existing security clearance process regulated by Transport Canada. The TC process includes provisions for reviewing decisions made regarding an individual's security status, and further provides judicial review by the Federal Court. Those safeguards do not appear in Bill C-23. In addition, the rules surrounding the provision of, again, derogatory information do not appear in the bill, and appear to be left to regulation, which would not be subject to scrutiny by this committee or Parliament.

The LRMA and Bill C-23 bestow upon U.S. border agents broad powers to search and detain workers in pre-clearance and perimeter areas, the same potential abuses that travellers could be subject to as well.

The BC Civil Liberties Association draws attention to the difficulties that this bill poses to a traveller seeking legal recourse, as pre-clearance officers are granted explicit immunities. The same difficulties will be experienced by port workers who are subject to this potential abuse.

We submit that no such power and immunity is appropriate and goes beyond what any Canadian worker could reasonably expect at his or her workplace. This concern is heightened by the fact that the pre-clearance perimeter could cover a significant area, thereby capturing a larger number of workers under the provisions of this bill.

A significant number of ILWU Canada members are of South Asian heritage. Many of them practice the Muslim faith. Our concerns, like those of the Canadian Bar Association, are magnified by the Trump administration and its extreme policies, such as banning people from certain countries that are predominantly Muslim from entering the United States.

In our view, Bill C-23 abrogates the government's responsibility to Canadian workers to ensure they are not subject to unfair or arbitrary actions on the part of pre-clearance officers. There is already a sophisticated security clearance process for vetting maritime workers, and that process will be undermined unless Bill C-23 is amended.

Bill C-23 should be amended to address these issues.

We also see inconsistencies in the bill. For example, clause 9 states:

For greater certainty, Canadian law applies, and may be administered and enforced, in preclearance areas and preclearance perimeters.

At the same time, clause 11 contains a much more definitive statement about the application of Canadian law, as follows:

A preclearance officer must exercise their powers and perform their duties and functions under this Act in accordance with Canadian law, including the

and it continues.

The bill should be amended to bring all of its provisions in line with clause 11.

In our view, with the abundance of municipal police and RCMP detachments in and around the Port of Vancouver and the cruise ship terminal, there is no need for border patrol officers to be armed, whether they be Canadian or, more especially, American.

We applaud the government for conducting its broad consultation with Canadians concerning national security.

I have another couple of concerns that I'll touch on, one being that American border guards will not be prosecuted in Canada if they violate any laws here. They'll be sent back home, and who knows what type of court system they'll be tried in?

A Canadian worker who wants to go to work on Canadian soil should never be subject to a foreign country's approval. These are Canadian workers who might not be able to work in Canada because of some derogatory comment that the United States government wishes to apply to us.

In closing, I believe this committee needs to implement the changes we've asked for so we can move forward with the expansion of our Canadian economy and the rights of Canadian workers as Canadians.

Thanks very much.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much, Mr. Ashton.

Now Mr. Gooch begins, and you two will be sharing time.

3:45 p.m.

Daniel-Robert Gooch President, Canadian Airports Council

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for the opportunity to be here today to present on this important piece of legislation, Bill C-23, the preclearance act.

My name is Daniel-Robert Gooch. I'm the president of the Canadian Airports Council. I'll be sharing my time today with Janik Reigate, director of customer and agency development at the Greater Toronto Airports Authority, which operates Toronto Pearson.

The Canadian Airports Council has 51 members representing over 100 airports across Canada. Its members include major international hubs, such as Lester B. Pearson International Airport in Toronto and Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport in Montreal; medium-sized airports, such as Fredericton International Airport and Fort McMurray International Airport; and smaller airports, such as North Bay Airport or Trail Regional Airport, in British Columbia. Our members handle over 90% of commercial air traffic in Canada, and an even greater share of international air traffic.

Canada's airports are managed and operated by local authorities, and they operate on a not-for-profit basis. While they pay more than $439 million in property and land taxes each year to federal and municipal governments, they have invested more than $22 billion in infrastructure since 1992, without taxpayer support.

Serving as gateways to the world, Canada's airports are local and national economic engines. Canada's air transport sector generates more than 140,000 direct jobs and more than $35 billion in economic activity.

Canadian airports that connect communities, both at home and abroad, manage over 133 million passengers a year, including more than 9.8 million tourists who fly to Canada. We support both safe and economically sound airports, good value for money when it comes to user fees and public taxes, and more air connections between Canada and the rest of the world.

Canada and the U.S. have a long history of pre-clearance operations dating back 65 years. In 1952, Toronto's Malton Airport became the first in the world to provide facilities for United States border pre-clearance at the request of airlines in the United States. This was extended and formalized with the air transport Preclearance Act in 1974. That act was later updated in 2001.

Today, eight Canadian airports offer pre-clearance services, including Ottawa, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Montreal, and Halifax. In 2015, 12 million travellers from Canadian airports were pre-cleared to the United States.

Pre-clearance offers both Canada and the United States significant economic, national security, and efficiency benefits. It promotes and facilitates the cross-border flow of people, goods, and investments. As Canada's airports are vital links that enhance our economic relationship with the U.S., it is particularly important for the dozens of American cities whose airports do not have their own U.S. Customs and Border Protection facilities.

Pre-clearance is a cost-efficient way for the United States to spend scarce resources and ensure direct services to more U.S. cities. According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's statistics, pre-clearance locations are 60% more efficient and cost 30% less than domestic ports of entry. Furthermore, each CBP officer stationed in Canada clears 30,000 passengers a year on average, a significantly higher rate of processing than in the United States.

Without pre-clearance, business and other travellers would be forced to connect through U.S. hubs that have a U.S. Customs and Border Protection presence, adding pressure to already overburdened airports in the U.S. and making travel to the U.S. more time-consuming and expensive for Canadian travellers.

Canada's airports look forward to working with the Government of Canada on the implementation of Bill C-23. We will continue to identify innovative processes that will improve the flow of goods and people across the border and increase the competitiveness of Canada's airports now and into the future.

Now I would like to turn over the rest of my time to my colleague, Ms. Reigate.

3:50 p.m.

Janik Reigate Director, Customer and Agency Development, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Thank you, Daniel.

I'm Janik Reigate, the Greater Toronto Airports Authority director of customer and agency development. My role is in-terminal based, with responsibility for our relationships with our airline partners and government agencies such as the Canada Border Services Agency and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency. These agencies are integral to the pre-clearance legislation we're discussing here today.

In my 20 years plus of working at Toronto Pearson, I have seen the airport grow exponentially, mostly as a result of air travel becoming the preferred method of travel for so many people, whether it be for work or for leisure. Since the last update to pre-clearance legislation, Toronto Pearson now serves an additional 16 million passengers annually. When you're serving 47 million passengers, as we will in 2017, connectivity is essential to success in Canada's globally integrated economy.

Airports are strategic economic infrastructure assets, and every new international air link creates new opportunities for trade in the Canadian regions they serve and also hundreds of direct jobs. Pre-clearance from Toronto Pearson allows the airport to provide 223 daily U.S.-bound flights to 56 U.S. cities, facilitating trade and tourism on a scale otherwise impossible.

As Daniel noted earlier, Toronto Pearson was the first Canadian airport to have pre-clearance, and it has become an integral part of our operations. Over the 65-year history of pre-clearance at Toronto Pearson, we have become the fourth-largest air entry-point into the United States, after the JFK, Miami, and Los Angeles airports. Last year alone, six million people were pre-cleared at Toronto Pearson.

Perhaps this is a good segue to speak about why Toronto Pearson supports Bill C-23. Overall, the bill offers tremendous customer service benefits for business and leisure travellers. It supports economic benefits for tourism, trade, and overall business productivity. For example, it allows for the ability to pre-clear cargo, improving the flow of goods.

Bill C-23 modernizes and expands the current pre-clearance agreement with the United States. I was heartened by Minister Goodale's comments at this committee on May 8 regarding the use of automated passport control kiosks and mobile passport control applications. Allowing the use of technology outside of pre-clearance areas will be vitally important in how we meet the expectations of an increasing number of passengers in a secure and efficient way. We thank the minister for his clarity on this issue.

I want to pause here. As the number of passengers continues to increase, it is important that that we find a way to ensure that growth is paid for, so that we can continue to provide travellers with a better level of service, which is in line with this government's focus on a positive passenger experience. I know that this conversation is currently taking place binationally between Canada and U.S. government representatives, and this is something that we at Toronto Pearson are closely monitoring.

Both Daniel and I spoke earlier about the growth that the aviation sector has seen in the past few years and decades. This is no doubt good for Canada; however, the increase in passenger traffic has put a strain on resources.

In the last five years, we have seen a 30% growth in pre-cleared passenger volumes served by our facilities: Vancouver experienced 28% growth; Montreal–Trudeau 20%; and Calgary 16%. For these airports and others in Canada that already have pre-clearance, Bill C-23 provides greater control and flexibility in how services are provided and paid for. At Toronto Pearson, we hope it will enable us to partner with the U.S. CBP to invest in more CBP staff or extend operating hours to allow for greater flexibility in matching resources to demand.

Right now, some airports are finding that they're constrained in their ability to grow because airlines are moving flights to airports with longer hours of U.S. customs operations. Some airports have indicated that in-transit pre-clearance is not available to several international carriers, which is hurting connectivity.

As you know, Bill C-23 contains a provision that supports the expansion of pre-clearance to other airports. This means that growing and evolving airports such as the Quebec City and Billy Bishop airports may enter into agreements with the U.S. for pre-clearance services. We are supportive of pre-clearance expansion. I understand that the Billy Bishop airport has already started construction on its new facility space. We will want to ensure that any new pre-clearance locations do not draw precious staff and resources away from existing locations.

Bill C-23 in its current form has many distinct advantages, particularly in attracting air service and offering enhanced connectivity in a globally competitive marketplace. In addition, the bill expands pre-clearance to other modes of travel, such as marine or rail, which improves the movement of goods to airports.

We at Toronto Pearson are confident that Bill C-23 will support the pre-clearance process in place, reinforcing a strong foundation and guiding principles for pre-clearance in both Canada and the United States.

Thank you.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you.

Ms. Damoff, you have seven minutes.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Thank you, all of you, for being here—including remotely.

I want to give a bit of a shout-out to the GTAA, who've been very gracious in having me do a tour of the airport. They have also been very supportive when I've reached out to them on different issues, and I thank them for that.

This may not be a question you can answer. If so, I totally understand. Do you know what kind of training both Canadian and American pre-clearance officers receive before they start doing the work they are doing at your airports? I'm thinking particularly in terms of Canadian law and that type of thing. The question might be better suited to the CBSA, if you don't know.

3:55 p.m.

Director, Customer and Agency Development, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Janik Reigate

I'm sorry. I do not know the answer to that question.

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Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

That's okay.

You mentioned something about having greater control under the new legislation, Bill C-23. Could you expand a little more on what you mean by that?

3:55 p.m.

Director, Customer and Agency Development, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Janik Reigate

The control with the pre-clearance area and the pre-clearance perimeter enables a better understanding of the spaces they work in. That gives us a better understanding of the operation than the current legislation does.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

How has it changed that it gives you more control? I guess that's what I'm not understanding.

3:55 p.m.

President, Canadian Airports Council

Daniel-Robert Gooch

Maybe I can answer.

One thing it does is it allows airports to work a little bit more flexibly with CBP in terms of the allocation of resources. In some airports, particularly if the hours of service are not really right for a flight—for instance, if a flight comes outside of hours of service, which may be more of a factor for some of the smaller airports—with pre-clearance they at least have the ability to supplement the services. They can control the amount of resources provided for better connecting times and competitiveness.

So part of it is the greater flexibility, really, over the resources that are available to CBP.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I have benefited flying from Pearson, where we do have pre-clearance. It allows me to fly to airports in the States that I wouldn't be able to.... I think it's about 23 additional airports that you can service because of that pre-clearance.

Can you speak to that a little bit? If you didn't have the pre-clearance, what would happen for travellers?

3:55 p.m.

Director, Customer and Agency Development, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Janik Reigate

Airports like LaGuardia do not have U.S. Customs and Border Protection services, so in terms of passengers going there, we would not be able to serve that airport. They'd have to go into an international airport like JFK, be cleared there, and then transfer over to LaGuardia. Those airports we can now serve because the services are in Toronto.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Let's say I'm on business or personal travel and I go through pre-clearance in Toronto versus going through customs at JFK. How much time is saved for an individual when they do that on this side of the border?

4 p.m.

Director, Customer and Agency Development, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Janik Reigate

It's saved in two ways. It's saved because you arrive as a domestic passenger at the airport in the United States, and therefore you can make a connection very quickly to another flight that's going somewhere else into the United States or onward into another international location. You don't have to go through two borders. It does save in the overall process time.

4 p.m.

President, Canadian Airports Council

Daniel-Robert Gooch

I would add that the situation will vary a lot from airport to airport, but we have seen that the lines in Canada can sometimes be shorter than in the U.S.

The other thing is that Canadian travellers don't necessarily go through as robust a process. Fingerprints are taken from international travellers, so sometimes, even if the line is the same in the U.S., if there are more travellers from other international points it can take longer for each one of them to process.

This is something that varies from airport to airport. We can't really quantify it.