Evidence of meeting #5 for Status of Women in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was work.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Florence Ievers  Coordinator, Status of Women Canada
Hélène Dwyer-Renaud  Director, Gender-Based Analysis and Accountability Directorate, Status of Women Canada
Jackie Claxton  Director General, Women's Programs and Regional Operations, Status of Women Canada
Zeynep Karman  Director, Research Directorate, Status of Women Canada
Nanci-Jean Waugh  Director General, Governance and Communications Directorate, Status of Women Canada

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Good morning. We'll call the meeting to order.

Good morning, everyone, and to Mr. Stanton, officially, congratulations. Thank you for joining our committee. We'll be very glad to have you with us.

We have a variety of things happening this morning. Before we go to our witnesses, I'd like to acknowledge that we have as viewers some individuals from the Parliamentary Centre, field officers from Ottawa, Ghana, and Senegal, who will be watching the proceedings this morning. You're very welcome, and we're glad to have you with us.

Before we start with our witnesses from Status of Women Canada this morning, I just wanted to go over a bit of what the work plan is for the morning. We'll start with witness presentations. We'll do our rounds of questioning. We'll do our committee business. The first item on the agenda to deal with will be Ms. Mourani's motion. We have a couple of routine motion amendments, and we have three study budgets. All of that should be before you at your desk. Then we will review our calendar of upcoming meetings.

So you should have a variety of things: copies of the presentation from the Status of Women that we're going to receive now, briefing notes from the researchers, Ms. Mourani's motion, the three study budgets, the amended routine motions, in which there was a discrepancy between English and French. I should slow down. We'll be giving you a revised committee calendar as the morning goes on.

We will hear our witnesses until 10:30, at which point we will go into committee business.

Is translation not working? You always manage to get one that doesn't work. Hopefully, we'll get our meeting under way here. Is it working? Is everyone okay with everything? Nobody's talking right now. We'll soon have our representatives from Status of Women Canada.

Let me go forward and introduce our witnesses this morning. We have Florence Ievers, the coordinator; Nanci-Jean Waugh, the director general, governance and communications directorate; Jackie Claxton, director general, women's programs and regional operations; and Hélène Dwyer-Renaud, director, gender-based analysis and accountability directorate.

Thank you very much for coming. We welcome you. We have been looking forward to having you as witnesses. As our committee is getting under way on a variety of important issues, it is important for us to hear from you and from the department. So I will turn it over to you. Thank you for coming.

9:10 a.m.

Florence Ievers Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Thank you very much, Madame Chair.

It's an honour to appear before the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. I'd like to point out that I will be making short remarks that are derived from the long version that has been distributed to the members of the committee.

It's really gratifying that Parliament has continued its commitment to the work of the status of women and gender equality. This commitment really demonstrates that Parliament recognizes the importance of advancing gender equality.

During the last Parliament, the standing committee engaged in a tremendous amount of productive activity, which resulted in five reports to Parliament. These reports were not only comprehensive; they also put the government on notice that this committee means business, and we look forward to your continued vigilance.

Who are we and how do we work? To answer those questions, it's important to highlight the horizontal nature of this effort, which reflects a fundamental truth—gender equality is everyone's business. If we are to ensure the full participation of women in all aspects of the life of our country—economic, social, cultural and political—then ours is a mandate that must reach across every department at the federal level, as well as the provincial/territorial and municipal levels of government, and the private sector.

This is a broad mandate for a relatively small agency like Status of Women Canada. We seek to achieve our goals by acting as knowledge broker on gender equality by being a centre of expertise; and by being a catalyst in network building.

As a knowledge broker on gender equality, Status of Women Canada facilitates focused interaction and information sharing among stakeholders. We play a key role in identifying opportunities for timely and effective input into the federal policy development process.

As a centre of expertise on gender issues and equality for women, Status of Women Canada proactively promotes best practices, shares knowledge and frameworks with stakeholders and partners, and builds gender-based analysis capacity. Through these activities, Status of Women Canada assists them in their own efforts to advance gender equality in their own programs and policies.

As a catalyst in network building, Status of Women Canada connects people, strengthens communities, and facilitates opportunities for communities and stakeholders to interact with government and be engaged in taking action toward equality for women.

How do we look toward the future?

I want to emphasize here again that Status of Women Canada cannot and does not work in isolation. As I've said before, gender equality is everybody's business. Within the Government of Canada that means working with stakeholders from within and outside government, non-governmental organizations, and the private sector to contribute to achieving women's equality.

Reports to the Standing Committee have been important to us. They have helped us in preparing the blueprint for the work ahead. The Standing Committee's five reports have addressed important issues. The two reports on Women's Program—entitled “Increasing Funding to Equality-seeking Organizations” and “Funding Through the Women's Program: Women's Groups Speak Out,”—relate directly to SWC's area of responsibility. Similarly, the report on GBA—entitle “Gender-Based Analysis: Building Blocks for Success”a—also links directly to our mandate.

In May, the committee chair re-tabled these reports in the House of Commons. We look forward to responding on progress.

In 2005 regional, national, and electronic consultations were held. Along with the work of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women, these consultations provided valuable input from Canadians, policy-makers, and NGOs on issues affecting women's lives, including poverty, the situation of aboriginal women, accountability, and the funding mechanism for advancing gender equality.

Status of Women Canada's women's program undertook an independent evaluation. The women's program also established a dialogue on proposed options as part of its redesign. As Status of Women Canada prepares for the renewal of the terms and conditions of the program, we will work to maintain program flexibility while continuing to focus on results.

Following the government response to the standing committee's report on gender-based analysis, the Government of Canada created an expert panel on gender equality accountability mechanisms. Its conclusions and recommendations were tabled in the House of Commons in November 2005.

Various other activities have taken place to fulfill the commitments in the government's response made by the three central agencies. I'm talking about the Privy Council Office, Treasury Board Secretariat, and the Department of Finance. Each central agency has appointed a gender-based analysis champion and agreed to strengthen its challenge function to ensure that in the future departments and other agencies do, in fact, demonstrate that gender-based analysis has been applied and that gender considerations have been taken into account.

While each agency pursues its individual capacity-building activities--such as training for officials and the creation of tools such as a best practices guide, as was done by the Department of Finance--a collective pilot project on a personal income tax policy initiative has been undertaken to provide them with a practical way of applying gender-based analysis within their challenge function.

The overarching themes of our current work are accountability and the sustainability of commitments to gender equality for the Government of Canada. We believe this builds on the government's work on accountability; therefore, we will be carrying out the following activities.

We will be developing indicators and benchmarks to help set objectives, establish priorities, measure change, assess progress, and flag problems or emerging trends. We will be increasing accountability mechanisms for the application of gender-based analysis and gender equality results.

We will also be conducting ongoing consultation with Canadians and raising public awareness about gender equality. Moreover, we will be providing effective support for women's and other equality-seeking organizations to ensure that women's realities, contributions and concerns are better reflected in policy.

Over the next few years, in the area of policy development, SWC will focus on the issue of poverty among certain groups of women, and on the situation of Aboriginal women. As regards poverty among certain groups of women, attention in this area will allow us to demonstrate links to the CEDAW Committee Report, to what we heard during consultations and last year's Standing Committee deliberations, and to SWC's work through Women's Program and the Policy Research Directorate.

The realities of poverty and women affect Canada at the international level, drawing criticism. In Geneva in early May, the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights questioned Canada about our record on poverty, homelessness, Indigenous and migrant rights, health and education, finding the government wanting in all areas.

Several committee members said they were disturbed by the apparent lack of investment in social programs and by continuing high poverty rates of the most marginalized groups, including women, Aboriginal peoples, people of colour and immigrants.

Status of Women Canada contributes to policy research on and understanding of women and poverty and the situation of aboriginal women. For example, the policy research fund currently has 12 research projects underway, several of which are linked to the theme of poverty and its impact on women, under various areas including.... I will spare you the reading of the list that is in the document in front of you.

In addition, the policy research fund is planning to release five new research projects under the theme of urban migration. These projects examine specific aspects of poverty among aboriginal women living off reserves who have migrated to urban areas and have found themselves in temporary or episodic poverty or have even faced long-term homelessness.

And I'll again spare you the list of other research reports that will be published, which is in the longer document we've circulated.

Aboriginal women in Canada face a multitude of barriers to their full and equal participation in the life of their communities and of this country. The barriers include high rates of discrimination based on gendered racism, violence, poverty, single motherhood, disability and low rates of employment, to name a few. All of these factors negatively impact Aboriginal women's access to opportunities to realize their right to health and other human rights.

These factors also underscore the importance of our commitment under the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women and how deeply we need ongoing consultations with Canadians if we are to find solutions.

They underscore the importance of the standing committee's work and of our efforts in support of the Sisters in Spirit initiative. They also underscore the benefits arising from the federal-provincial-territorial aboriginal policy research conference that was held at the end of March of this calendar year, the family violence initiative, and the federal-provincial-territorial violence indicators, which will be released in the fall.

In partnership with Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, Status of Women Canada has previously funded a document on matrimonial real property rights on reserve that informs aboriginal women of their basic rights upon marriage breakdown. We will continue to work with INAC while they consult with aboriginal people on what changes might occur to better address the current situation.

Accountability, as we mentioned and as the committee mentioned, is important to Status of Women Canada. We will work to advance accountability across government to achieve gender-equality results.

Through Status of Women Canada's role as a knowledge broker on gender equality, as a centre of expertise on gender issues, and as a catalyst in network building, we will work with others to bring our unique knowledge and expertise to the pressing need to address gender-based poverty and the situation of aboriginal women.

Madame Chair, we look forward to your continued work in advancing equality for women.

Thank you.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much. That was brief, to the point, and you have given us a bit of an overview.

Can I just ask one question? The 12 research projects that you referred to, what are the timelines on those projects?

9:20 a.m.

Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Florence Ievers

Five on migration will be released in the coming months, possibly into next year. The others are under way. At times they take less time; at times they take a little longer. We could provide ballpark information to the committee members on the projects that are currently under way to give you an idea of when to expect some of these publications.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much. You're very helpful.

Does anyone else want to speak directly to the committee or would you like to go right into questions?

All right.

Ms. Minna, for the Liberals.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I would like to start off with a very quick one. I wonder if you might be able to tell us when the release of the full report on the expert panel of the GBA will be made, if you know, if you've seen it. Could you tell us what the status of the report is at the moment, because we're very interested in seeing it.

9:20 a.m.

Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Florence Ievers

The government is studying the report at the present time. As I said earlier, the recommendations and conclusions of the report were tabled in the House last November.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Maybe we could try to get that to this committee as quickly as possible. Maybe our friends could express that to the minister, and when the minister comes to see us we will discuss it.

I have quite a lot of questions, but I'll start with the GBA.

Was there a gender-based analysis done on the recent budget, specifically with respect to the $1,200 that is being called the universal child care? And I don't mind telling you very honestly here that it's not.

Have you done a GBA analysis on whether that $1,200 is helping anyone in terms of what impact it's had on families--the drop of the supplement for the young child, and of course, the fact that the $1,200 is taxed in the hands of different families, so where families have both working, they're going to get less than families who don't, and then if you include inflation and no child care?

Has there been an impact study done, a proper GBA analysis of the impact of that particular announcement and what it really means for women, where it's negative and where it's a benefit, a gain?

9:25 a.m.

Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Florence Ievers

My understanding, and Hélène Dwyer-Renaud can give you more information on this, is that the Department of Finance did gender-based analysis on one measure in the budget, a tax measure.

On the questions that you asked related to the $1,200 that will go directly to families and other measures, I think that question would be better asked of the department responsible for those policies. They have perhaps conducted a gender-based analysis, but we're not aware of the results of that analysis.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

I'm sorry, I don't want to challenge you, but my understanding is that there are champions, as you said earlier, in different departments, and your job is to work across departments. So at this stage, presumably, I would hope you would know whether or not there has been any gender-based impact analysis done on that particular part of the budget, which is of huge importance to women in this country.

9:25 a.m.

Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Florence Ievers

I will ask Hélène Dwyer-Renaud to explain to the committee how the whole question of gender analysis is dealt with within the government. I mentioned specifically in my remarks the work that we were doing following the report of this committee with the cental agencies, but Hélène will be able to give you a better idea of how it works throughout the government as a whole.

9:25 a.m.

Hélène Dwyer-Renaud Director, Gender-Based Analysis and Accountability Directorate, Status of Women Canada

Thank you.

I think that's a very good question. Indeed, you may know that the role Status of Women Canada plays in gender-based analysis is a capacity building role. In terms of the other departments, what we provide them are tools and training, but the ultimate responsibility to apply the GBA to their own businesses and to their policies is the departments' responsibility.

That being said, you may obviously know that when the standing committee tabled its response, the previous government came out with a response. In that response it was obvious from both sides that the government wanted to put an emphasis on accountability. The accountability within the federal government obviously helps when you have the three central agencies on board playing their challenge role, vis-à-vis the other departments. So for the past year Status of Women Canada's work has been to work with the three central agencies to have them integrate gender-based analysis in their processes.

In the case of the Department of Finance, in fact, in the case of the three departments, what we've negotiated with them was a collective pilot project in which they would apply the knowledge they received through our training to see how they can work their challenge function.

Our understanding is that there was only one issue, if you like, that was picked by the Department of Finance. It was an income tax policy. We are working with them to build that capacity, but I would agree with Madam Ivers that if the committee wants to know more about the activities at the Department of Finance, it's up to the department to respond to that question.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

I agree.

Maybe, Madam Chair, the ministers responsible, whether it be one, two or three of them, should come before this committee, because, quite frankly, identifying one piece, the tax, doesn't address the issue. This is a major departure from previous practice, and it's a major direction, and it has major impacts on women. We just heard about women's poverty in the report by the UN with respect to this, and this has an impact on that.

So I would like to ask our witnesses here today, through the chair, to try to get some response from the different departments that are responsible for this piece, because I think we need to deal with it.

If I have a bit of time, I'd like to go on to ask another question, again along the lines of gender-based analysis. I've got tons of questions on other things, but I'll get back to those in a minute.

With respect to immigrant and visible minority women, there are two issues. One is whether you could give me a bit of an update, in terms of the core funding for some of those organizations, because of the vulnerability that those women find themselves in. The other is whether or not, when you or any of the departments that you work with does gender-based analysis, you include culture and race as a lens in addition to other lenses. I'm just asking.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Could we have Jackie and then Hélène?

9:30 a.m.

Jackie Claxton Director General, Women's Programs and Regional Operations, Status of Women Canada

Thank you, Madam Chair.

On the question of immigrant and visible minority women, through the women's program, we do provide support to groups at a number of levels, including, for example, the National Organization of Immigrant and Visible Minority Women of Canada, which is right now looking at issues related to employment. There are also various groups across the country at local and provincial levels. We would be happy to provide the committee with a list of those groups.

Another example, at the national level, is an organization which is bringing together francophone immigrant and visible minority women to look at their specificity, both within the context of the immigrant groups, and within the francophone organizations, the two aspects of their realities. We can provide information and follow-up.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Am I out of time? All right, I'll come back. Not enough time ever.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Ms. Mourani, go ahead, please.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Good morning.

I would like to ask about your budget. Approximately how much is your budget? How is it broken down among the various sections like, for example, the Women's Program and GBA? How is it distributed, more or less, between research and the rest, in terms of percentages and numbers?

9:30 a.m.

Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Florence Ievers

I can tell you exactly where we are at. The total budget for Status of Women Canada is $24.6 million for 2006-07. Research represents 5% of the budget. Subsidies represent 44% of the budget. We are a knowledge organization, if you will; I explained our various roles earlier. Therefore, we invest a substantial amount, 33%, in salaries for experts, be it for gender-based analysis, research, policy analysis, or communications.

Does that give you a clear enough picture?

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

What does 44% correspond to in terms of numbers? The 44% is for the Women's Program is it not?

9:30 a.m.

Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Florence Ievers

The 44% of the $24.6 million goes directly into grants and contributions for equality-seeking organizations. Program administration is included in the salaries and operations. So 44% goes directly into grants.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Okay. I am trying to see how much that makes. A small proportion goes to management. is that correct?

9:30 a.m.

Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Florence Ievers

A percentage goes to management and operations. Moreover, 5% of our budget goes to contributions for employee benefit programs.

There are some administrative issues that are inherent and that are part of all budgets, which means that the amounts don't add up as clearly as we would like them to.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

You say that the budget is approximately $24 million. As the overall budget gone up or down compare to 2004-05?

9:30 a.m.

Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Florence Ievers

There was an increase of about $1 million. It was an amount that was transferred to Status of Women Canada to coordinate the Sisters in Spirit Initiative, an organization for missing Aboriginal women. As part of this project, Status of Women Canada will receive $1 million per year, for five years, and it started last year. So we have already completed one year. The money will go directly to the Native Women's Association of Canada, which received the mandate to do the work.