Evidence of meeting #11 for Status of Women in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was women.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Leah Vosko  Canada Research Chair in Feminist Political Economy, York University, As an Individual
Sue Calhoun  President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs
Joan Macklin  Vice-President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

We are quite late getting started here, but I will call the meeting to order. We do have a quorum.

Before we start into the witnesses' presentations, I want to apologize to the witnesses for keeping them waiting. Some circumstances are beyond our control.

The second portion of our meeting, from 12:30 to 1:00, was to have been in camera. Because we are going to miss out on a lot of time hearing from witnesses, I would ask the committee for unanimous consent to forgo the in camera portion and do it at the next meeting. Is there any objection to that?

Ms. Mathyssen, it's your motion.

11:50 a.m.

NDP

Irene Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

No, Madam Chair, I'd be quite happy to do that, because I do want to hear from these witnesses. They've come a long way and they have a great deal of wisdom to impart.

With the indulgence of the chair, I would like to ask that Ms. Ashton, who has joined me today, be allowed to share my time. There is precedent for it in terms of previous meetings. She is a member of BPW, and I think it's only fitting that she have a chance to ask a question or two.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

Do we have unanimous consent for that?

I'm sorry; do you have a question?

11:50 a.m.

Bloc

Nicole Demers Bloc Laval, QC

I was wondering what BPW is.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

It's the Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women.

Is there unanimous consent for that? I see there is, so we will move along.

We're going to start with Leah Vasko. I believe your presentation is up here, and members have copies of that presentation. You have 10 minutes, please.

11:50 a.m.

Dr. Leah Vosko Canada Research Chair in Feminist Political Economy, York University, As an Individual

Thank you very much for providing me with the opportunity.

I'm pleased that the Standing Committee on the Status of Women is devoting attention to the issue of employment insurance for women in Canada and to improving it. My remarks today will focus on the relationship between the design of EI and the changing nature of employment, particularly as it relates to the situation of women in precarious jobs.

My aim is to illustrate that many problems in the EI system, and their gendered consequences, are the product of a disjuncture between the realities of the labour market and the design of the EI program, which rests on outmoded employment norms.

As many people realize, growing numbers of workers in Canada are working in jobs that offer low wages as well as limited social benefits and statutory entitlements. As we might expect, certain forms of employment are particularly likely to be precarious, such as temporary and part-time paid employment and some varieties of self-employment. Taken together, the distinguishing feature of these forms of employment is that they differ from the traditional norm of the full-time permanent job. This traditional norm never extended to all workers in the past, but was dominant among men, especially white Canadian-born men. While many gender exclusions from this model of employment have been eliminated with formal equality, the full-time permanent job continues to be shaped in profound ways by gender relations.

At the same time, despite the changing nature of employment, this norm also continues to organize public policies such as employment insurance, as I'll attempt to show. Before I do, I'd like to give you a brief portrait of the gendered contours of precarious employment in Canada.

As the table on the screen shows, full-time permanent employment accounted for only 64% of total employment in 2008, down from 68% in 1989.

During this period, temporary employment and solo self-employment, where the self-employed person does not employ others, grew among women and men. At the same time, men's and women's participation in part-time employment remained relatively stable. However, more than twice as many women as men, over two million, worked part time in 2008.

As the next slide shows, women also held much larger shares of part-time forms of employment than men. Women are thus more likely than men to lack access to social and labour protection extended on the basis of hours of work.

When temporary forms of employment are broken down by type, a set of additional gender patterns surfaces. In 2008 men held the majority of seasonal jobs, segments of which have historically been protected more than other types of temporary employment. In contrast, women dominated in casual employment, much of which is part-time and characterized by high levels of uncertainty and income insecurity.

Part-time and temporary forms of employment are, in certain respects, insecure by definition. That is by virtue of their shorter-than-standard daily or weekly hours and their lack of certainty. However, other dimensions also make these forms of work insecure. Take income level, for example. Workers in forms of part-time and temporary employment are far more likely than full-time permanent workers to earn lower wages. For example, in 2008 fully 44% of part-time permanent workers earned $10 an hour or less, as opposed to 8.3% of full-time permanent workers.

Shifting now to the design of employment insurance, as you know, in 1996 employment insurance replaced unemployment insurance, marking the introduction of an hours system in place of a system based on weeks worked. This shift to EI formally extended coverage to more part-time and multiple job holders, seemingly taking account of the changing realities of the Canadian labour market I have described.

However, since its introduction, access to benefits has deteriorated for many part-time workers. Eligibility is organized around the norm of a full-time permanent job, making it more difficult for those who had worked fewer than 35 hours per week to qualify. Under unemployment insurance, new entrants and re-entrants were required to work the equivalent of 300 hours, whereas under EI they need 910 hours. Under UI other workers were required to work between 180 and 300 hours, depending on the regional rate of unemployment, whereas under EI they need 410 to 700 hours. After the introduction of EI, many part-time workers were insured for the first time, but qualifying requirements under the hours system often put benefits out of their reach.

Changes to the benefit formula, particularly the divisor rule, have negatively affected those with intermittent earnings, including temporary workers such as casuals. Women are more likely to be adversely affected by qualifying requirements for regular benefits, and when they qualify they are more likely than men to exhaust their benefits. They represent the majority of part-time workers, and on average, women's weekly hours are lower than men's.

Women have also been affected negatively as workers who may become pregnant. A woman returning from a year's parental and pregnancy leave may find herself unable to collect any EI benefits if she is laid off in the following months. This is because she is unlikely to have accrued sufficient hours to establish a new claim, especially if her work week is under 35 hours. Furthermore, even if she meets the required minimum, she will have a shortened claim compared to her co-workers. In contrast, workers with full-time permanent jobs have been affected mainly by reductions in the maximum number of weeks of benefits, remedied, but only minimally, by the budget of February 2009.

Other witnesses have reported broad statistics on employment insurance eligibility, noting a significant decline in the ratio of EI beneficiaries to unemployed people since 1989. Considering the ratio of regular EI benefits—my emphasis here—to the unemployed, comparing women and men, adds texture to these observations. In 2008 just 39.1% of unemployed women, down from 82.6% in 1989, as opposed to the still low 45.5% of unemployed men, were receiving regular benefits.

These trends point to two fundamental problems with the system. One problem is getting in the door or qualifying for these benefits. Another problem is how long the benefits last. Women have lost on both counts. I've already emphasized how many part-time and temporary workers have lost on the first count. On the second count, also due to their lower hours versus men, a larger percentage of women exhaust their benefits.

As the slide on the screen shows, in 2005, 30.4% of women versus 26.3% of men exhausted their benefits before finding a new job. I would be pleased to give you a concrete example in the question period of how this affects a typical woman service sector worker, for example. It is also important to emphasize the double jeopardy faced by unemployed workers who previously had relatively low hours and low wages, many of whom are women, due to low replacement rates. These workers face receiving 55% of already low earnings. Many such workers cannot afford to receive EI, contributing to a cycle of precarious jobs.

Even the safety net for low-income women is limited. While EI retains the low-income supplement, the formula for receipt is means-tested based on family income, not individual earnings. This supplement limits low-income women's independent access to higher benefits.

In my time, I've tried to illustrate that many jobs differing from the full-time, permanent job tend to be insecure. I've shown that many workers in such jobs—particularly highly precarious, temporary, and part-time jobs—are women. There is no principled reason that EI should not be able to better serve people in these jobs. I therefore want to end with three priority recommendations for fixing the regular EI system, and I focus on this given the current recession.

My first recommendation or proposal is for a uniform qualifying requirement of 360 hours for regular benefits. Lowering the qualifying requirement would respond to the significant number of women workers, especially those only able to work in part-time and temporary jobs, who currently have difficulty accessing benefits. It would also address the trend of declining hours among all employees. At the same time, standardizing the qualifying requirement would eliminate the complicated system of tying access to EI to regional rates of unemployment, which are relatively insensitive to industrial and occupational trends.

Noon

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

Can I ask you to wrap up, please?

Noon

Canada Research Chair in Feminist Political Economy, York University, As an Individual

Dr. Leah Vosko

Yes, indeed. Perhaps I could indicate my final two recommendations.

Noon

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

Sure.

Noon

Canada Research Chair in Feminist Political Economy, York University, As an Individual

Dr. Leah Vosko

For workers now in the new-entrant/re-entrant category, a unified and lower qualifying requirement would, in turn, improve access and support to meaningful job search. Reducing qualifying requirements for regular EI would also make these benefits more accessible to workers recently returning from a maternity or paternity leave, who might otherwise not be able to qualify for such a claim in the face of unexpected layoffs.

Additionally, given the current recession, it would be prudent and simple by a regulation to allow workers returning from maternity and parental leaves, who are laid off without the requisite hours, to count the claim they used prior to taking this leave towards the claim for regular benefits.

My second recommendation is to peg benefit levels to the best 12 weeks of employment over a longer period. The dual rationale is, first, that just prior—

Noon

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

Perhaps you could just outline your recommendations and flesh them out in the question period.

Noon

Canada Research Chair in Feminist Political Economy, York University, As an Individual

Noon

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

Thank you.

Noon

Canada Research Chair in Feminist Political Economy, York University, As an Individual

Dr. Leah Vosko

The third recommendation is to restore the standard benefit to 67%, as it was in the early 1990s. Initiating such a change is vital for women with low earnings, whether or not they live in households with higher earnings, as it would make the family supplement less important.

These are a few suggestions for priority items to address the gendered consequences and effects of EI, mounting after 1996, but which I believe have become more pressing in the current recession.

Thank you.

Noon

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

Thank you very much.

We will now turn to Ms. Calhoun, please.

Noon

Sue Calhoun President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs

Thank you very much. It's a great pleasure for us to be here today as well.

We are very pleased to be here. With me is Mrs. Joan Macklin, the Vice-President of our organization.

With me is Joan Macklin, who is a vice-president in the organization. Joan lives in Montreal, and I live in Moncton, New Brunswick.

The Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs, which we call BPW Canada, has been around since 1930. Our mission is to develop the professional and leadership potential of women in Canada through education, awareness, advocacy, and mentoring within a supportive network.

Noon

Joan Macklin Vice-President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs

The Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs has been around since 1930. Our mission is to develop the professional and leadership potential of women in Canada through education, awareness, advocacy and mentoring within a supportive network.

BPW Canada was a founding member of our International Federation of Business and Professional Women, which has clubs in more than 90 countries, and which has Category I Consultative Status at the United Nations.

Noon

President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs

Sue Calhoun

BPW Canada was a founding member of our international federation of BPW clubs. We have clubs in more than 90 countries, and BPW has a category I consultative status at the United Nations.

We are a volunteer organization that receives no government money. My job as president of BPW Canada is a volunteer job. To make a living, I run my own company. I am one of the almost one million women in this country who own a business or are self-employed.

Like most organizations, BPW Canada's policies and positions are driven by the membership. We have a resolutions process, where clubs bring resolutions on particular issues to our annual general meetings or biennial conventions. They are discussed, debated, and, once approved, become the position of the organization.

In 2004, at our biennial convention in Regina, we endorsed the report by the Prime Minister's Task Force on Women Entrepreneurs, and we urged the government to move forward on its more than 80 recommendations.

One of the recommendations—this is what we're going to talk about today—was to find a way to give self-employed and business-owning women the opportunity to access maternity and parental benefits under the employment insurance program. At our 2006 convention in Toronto, our members again urged the Government of Canada to amend the Employment Insurance Act to correct inequities with respect to people who are business owners or are self-employed, to give them the option of accessing benefits such as maternity and parental leave. We also made a case for giving compassionate leave to caregivers.

12:05 p.m.

Vice-President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs

Joan Macklin

Our arguments were the following: according to Statistics Canada, small business is the fastest growing segment of the business sector in Canada. Within this sector, the growth of women-owned businesses is the fastest growing, with women launching businesses in Canada over the past decade at a rate twice that of men.

The growth in the number of women-owned businesses has been phenomenal. The Prime Minister's Task Force report stated at the time, that is in 2003, that there were 821,000 women who owned businesses or were self-employed.

Yet challenges remain. Women who are self-employed or own 40% or more of a business do not have the option of contributing to the EI fund. Therefore they cannot access EI benefits such as maternity and parental leave. Many women, including our BPW members, often feel forced to make a choice—the business or a baby.

Ironically, many women entrepreneurs do contribute to the EI Fund on behalf of their employees who then have access to such benefits, while they do not.

Women entrepreneurs are a major economic force in this country, creating jobs and contributing to economic growth. The Government of Canada needs to recognize the contribution of women who own their own businesses and find a way to rectify this situation.

12:05 p.m.

President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs

Sue Calhoun

We have read some of the presentations that have been made to you already, in particular the presentation from the Canadian Labour Congress and Richard Shillington's presentation. Both spoke about maternity and parental benefits for the self-employed. Mr. Shillington referred to the Canadian Bar Association's study on maternity benefits for self-employed. He also spoke about the program that they now have in the province of Quebec that allows the self-employed to access maternity and parental benefits.

We know that you're starting to accumulate a lot of information, a lot of statistics, and even more today with Leah's presentations, so we thought that we would talk about what this situation means in human terms. We will try to put a face on what it means when a woman who runs her own business or is self-employed cannot access EI benefits to stay home with a newborn.

I mentioned earlier that I run my own business. One of the projects that I worked on in 2002-03 was an Atlantic-wide study on access to EI maternity/parental benefits for self-employed and business-owning women.

We had a team of women who did focus groups across the Atlantic region. The research was funded by Status of Women Canada back in the days when Status of Women Canada funded research.

I did half a dozen focus groups in New Brunswick. I did them in both languages, and I did them in rural and urban parts of the province. I'd like to tell you about some of the women I met.

There is the 35-year-old hairdresser who runs her own salon. After 14 years without a holiday, she took three weeks off and had a baby. She breastfed for those three weeks. Then, as she said, she had to “dry up” and get back to work. She mourned not being able to breastfeed that newborn for the next six months.

There is the massage therapist, also 35, who runs her own clinic. She has six employees. All of them are able to access EI because she pays into the fund on their behalf, as do they. They can stay home for a year with a newborn. She can't.

There is the 40-year-old psychologist who also runs her own counselling clinic. She didn't intend to get pregnant, but these things happen. Because of her age, both she and the baby had serious problems. She almost died, in fact, giving birth. She was at home for months with the newborn with no income coming into the household. When she was finally able to get her clinic going again, she had to rebuild her clientele.

A photographer whose business depends on her creativity already had a 10-year-old and got pregnant. She built up a massive debt on her line of credit as she tried to juggle two children--one a newborn--and keep the business going.

We heard horror stories all across the region, stories of hairdressers back on their feet all day, a week after having a baby, because they could not afford not to be on their feet cutting hair; of new mothers, business owners, running up massive debt trying to keep the business alive; of women deciding not to have children or not to have more children because they couldn't afford to.

Perhaps most sad is the situation of the newborn baby who doesn't have the right, as a lot of newborns do, to have that most important person close to them for the first year of life, because one or both of their parents is self-employed.

These women all said the same things. They make a contribution to the economy, to their local community. They hire people. They create jobs. Their employees can stay home for a year with a newborn, but they can't. It is a question of fairness. It is a question of social justice.

We talk a lot in this country about our aging population and about the need to attract more immigrants. We would suggest that there are women in this country who would have babies or would have more babies if our social support system were more family-friendly. Sadly, in a lot of instances--this is definitely one--our support system is not family-friendly.

We know that in September of 2008, during the last federal election campaign, Prime Minister Harper announced that a re-elected Conservative government would give self-employed Canadians the opportunity to access maternity and parental benefits. Going through some of my papers in preparing this, I found this news release that came out on September 15, which I would just like to read to you, because it quotes the Prime Minister, who said,

Self-employed Canadians--and those who one day hope to be--shouldn't have to choose between starting a family and starting a business because of government policy. They should be able to pursue their dreams--both as entrepreneurs and as parents.

We want the Prime Minister to know that we totally agree with him. We know that in January of this year, he announced that he would set up an expert panel to study the issue. We hope that this is not just another way of stalling. BPW Canada is not alone in this. We are not saying anything different from what a lot of equality-seeking groups are saying—that the time has come to make maternity parental benefits available to the self-employed and to business owners.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

Can I ask you to wrap it, please.

12:10 p.m.

President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs

Sue Calhoun

Yes.

This is an urgent situation. We don't think it's rocket science. As you know, the province of Quebec already does it. You may not realize it, but self-employed fishers have for many years been able to collect EI. We think the time has come, and the government needs to move ahead with this issue.

We thank you once again for inviting us here today.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Patricia Davidson

My thanks to all three of our presenters. We appreciate your comments today.

I'm sorry that I didn't recognize you, Ms. Macklin, when we were introducing Ms. Calhoun. I didn't realize you were both speaking at once.

We will now go to our first round of questioning.

Madame Zarac, please.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

Good day and welcome. Thank you for enlightening us on this matter.

As far as the Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs is concerned, priority must be given to day care services and to employment equity. How do these criteria affect the EI benefits of women who are unemployed?

12:10 p.m.

President, Canadian Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs

Sue Calhoun

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understand your question.