Evidence of meeting #24 for Status of Women in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was communities.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Pamela Shauk  Outreach Worker, Native Friendship Centre of Montreal Inc.
Carrie Martin  Evaluation Coordinator, Native Women's Shelter of Montreal
Nakuset  Executive Director, Native Women's Shelter of Montreal
Carole Brazeau  Justice and Public Security Coordinator, Quebec Native Women Inc.
France Robertson  Coordinator for the women's shelter and non-violence file, Quebec Native Women Inc.
Ellen Gabriel  President, Quebec Native Women Inc.
Béatrice Vaugrante  Executive Director, Canada francophone Section, Amnesty International
Karine Gentelet  Coordinator of aboriginal rights, Canadian Francophone Section, Amnesty International
Émilie-Cloé Laliberté  General Coordinator, Stella
Isabelle Dumas  Procedural Clerk
Julie Cool  Committee Researcher
Laura Munn-Rivard  Committee Researcher
Marie-Pierre Bousquet  Associate Professor, Faculty of Anthropology, University of Montreal, As an Individual
Mylène Jaccoud  Full Professor, School of Criminology, Université de Montréal, As an Individual

June 10th, 2010 / 11:15 a.m.

Émilie-Cloé Laliberté General Coordinator, Stella

Good afternoon. My name is Émilie-Cloé Laliberté, and I'm the general coordinator of the Stella organization.

Stella was founded in 1995. It's the only organization in Montreal created by and for sex workers. We do an enormous amount of work in the field of health and violence prevention, from an empowerment and harm reduction perspective We offer a medical clinic; we have street workers who go into the field, onto the street, into shooting galleries, to the places where sexual services are exchanged for money, other goods, alcohol or drugs. We have a legal clinic; we also reach out to women in prison. Our partnership with Doctors of the World enables us to take nurses into the street and in the places where there is sex work and substance abuse.

We make contact with a number of people that varies between 4,000 and 6,000 a year. In the past, we had an aboriginal project. Our services to aboriginal sex workers today are incorporated in our street work shifts. Services to aboriginal sex workers are still a priority for Stella. Moreover, we are the only group of sex workers fighting against violence. Stella really cannot talk about the general violence experience by aboriginal women. I believe the groups that are around us today really know the subject better that we do. However, we can talk about our experience in the fight against violence against aboriginal women sex workers.

Fourteen sex workers have been murdered in Quebec since 1990. Four of those victims were aboriginal women. Those incidents teach us a great deal about the lack of appropriate services in the fight against aboriginal street workers and women and about the lack of funding for appropriate services.

Based on our experience, the greatest sources of violence reported by sex workers are spousal abuse and attacks by those who specifically target sex workers. The attackers believe they are protected by a climate of impunity caused in large part by the criminalization and stigmatization of our work.

As regards aboriginal sex workers who are killed in Quebec, who have been mentioned, in at least one of those cases, the attacker was the woman's spouse. In another case, the victim requested help in the moments preceding her death. She was on one of the busiest streets in Montreal, but no one deigned to help her. She approached a bar to which she was denied access because she was a prostitute and drunk.

A number of findings and recommendations were issued following a consultation of aboriginal Stella members. We also consulted existing research and drew on our experience in the field. I don't know whether you want me to give you our recommendations right away or whether a period is set aside for that a little later.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Why don't we open it up and we can go back and forth?

Irene, why don't you start by quickly introducing yourself?

11:20 a.m.

NDP

Irene Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

Yes. I'm Irene Mathyssen. I'm the member of Parliament for London—Fanshawe, and I'm the NDP critic for the status of women.

Thank you all for being here.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Monsieur Desnoyers.

11:20 a.m.

Bloc

Luc Desnoyers Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Good afternoon. My name is Luc Desnoyers. I am a Bloc Québécois member and I sit on the Standing Committee on the Status of Women.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Ms. Simson.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Michelle Simson Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

I'm Michelle Simson. I'm the member of Parliament for Scarborough Southwest, and I'm a sitting member on the status of women committee.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

And you are a Liberal.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Michelle Simson Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

Absolutely.

11:20 a.m.

Isabelle Dumas Procedural Clerk

Good afternoon. My name is Isabelle Dumas. I am the clerk of the committee and I am currently travelling with the Standing Committee on the Status of Women.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm Hedy Fry and I'm a Liberal. I'm also the chair of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women, and I used to be the secretary of state for status of women for six and a half years in the Chrétien government.

11:20 a.m.

Julie Cool Committee Researcher

I'm Julie Cool. I'm the research analyst for the committee.

11:20 a.m.

Laura Munn-Rivard Committee Researcher

I'm Laura Munn-Rivard. I'm from the Library of Parliament and I'm also helping with the committee.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Lois Brown Conservative Newmarket—Aurora, ON

I'm Lois Brown, the member of Parliament for Newmarket—Aurora, just north of Toronto, and I'm a Conservative member.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

I thought we would go around..... Just put your hands up if you want to ask a question.

Let's start the ball rolling.

Who wants to start? Irene?

11:20 a.m.

NDP

Irene Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

I want to thank you again for being here.

I have so many questions, Madam Chair, you'll have to stop me when it becomes overwhelming.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Don't worry about it.

11:20 a.m.

NDP

Irene Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

I suspected as much.

I was very interested in the discussion with regard to the harm reduction projects. I know how important and how effective they are.

I'm wondering if you could talk about your experience with harm reduction.

I also want to know what the impact has been of losing the Aboriginal Healing Foundation. I know they say it's now part of Health Canada, but it seems that something on the ground that is vital to address the intergenerational impact of residential schools will be missed.

I'll start there, and I would welcome comments.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Perhaps we can have Ms. Laliberté start, because you brought up the issue of harm reduction.

11:25 a.m.

General Coordinator, Stella

Émilie-Cloé Laliberté

I'm sorry, I misunderstood the beginning. That's why I started...the translation.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

Irene Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

You mentioned the importance and the effectiveness of harm reduction projects, and I wondered if you could describe their impacts. You also made reference to the Aboriginal Healing Foundation.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Ms. Laliberté will talk about harm reduction, and others will jump in on the Aboriginal Healing Foundation, I'm sure.

11:25 a.m.

General Coordinator, Stella

Émilie-Cloé Laliberté

The services have to be adapted and there has to be more harm reduction services. Here's a flagrant example: most housing resources ask the women not to arrive inebriated or intoxicated. The result is that the women go and sleep in the street, in shooting galleries or in at times in unclean apartments.

That's why a drunk tank absolutely has to be put in place, for example. In that way, regardless of the fact they are intoxicated, women could go there and have a roof over their heads, without necessarily taking other steps. They would simply have a roof over their heads, and they could cover their basic needs. We can't get into in-depth measures when the basic needs aren't covered.

We also have to be able to reach the women directly where they are, particularly through street work practices. For example, I'm thinking of women's shelters, but a lot more funding is needed to establish a complete team of street workers. In addition, harm reduction services should be provided by aboriginals for aboriginals.

Obviously we could have centres that women go to, we hope. We really have to reach out to the women where they are, which at times means going to the places where they use.

We have to distribute more drug equipment, whether it be crack pipes or needles. Right now in Montreal, crack pipes are sold by Montreal's public health branch. We absolutely have to ensure that all drug paranephelia is distributed free of charge and is accessible.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

Does anyone want to deal with the Aboriginal Healing Foundation?

11:25 a.m.

Evaluation Coordinator, Native Women's Shelter of Montreal

Carrie Martin

I just want to add to the harm reduction component. We've had a harm reduction project for the past four years. It finished in March of this year.

But just adding to what Emilie was saying...we did work with Emilie actually. She came to the shelter quite a few times and met with our women. It allowed our women who were involved in the sex trade to get involved with Stella, and I know it made their outreach services easier in terms of working with the aboriginal women on the street.

We focused a lot of our attention on sexual health harm reduction and just trying to increase the number of women who were going for HIV tests and hepatitis C tests. Before the project, we had less than 50% of women who knew their status. It increased to a little over 70% within one year, so it's been a very important project. I know we've applied to get new money for that, so that will hopefully come through.