Evidence of meeting #47 for Status of Women in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was community.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Kuzemczak  Community Wellness Facilitator, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)
Darlene Angeconeb  Coordinator, Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership Project, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)
Angus Toulouse  Ontario Regional Chief, Chiefs of Ontario

8:15 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

Good morning. I'm Irene Mathyssen. I'm the vice-chair of the committee for the status of women.

I would like to welcome Karen Kuzemczak and Darlene Angeconeb. If I haven't said your names exactly right, please correct me.

Thank you so much for being here.

We are hoping that Chief Angus Toulouse joins us shortly, but because time is important, we want to get started.

I'll begin by introducing the committee and explaining our purpose in being here. We have Madame Michelle Simson, a member of the Liberal Party and Her Majesty's loyal opposition; Madame Nicole Demers, a member of the Bloc; for the Conservatives, Mr. Greg Rickford; and I am a member of the New Democratic Party.

I'm very, very glad to see you. I want to say thank you to the hotel and the people of Sioux Lookout for the very kind welcome.

Our purpose here today is to pursue a study in regard to violence perpetrated against aboriginal women. We began the study last spring and have had the privilege of travelling across the country to talk to the people who know, the people who can give us the best advice.

The parameters, the mandate of our study, involve the root causes of the violence that women and their families experience, the nature of that violence, what happens to families and to women, the extent of the violence, how far it has spread, and who suffers. Finally, what we really want is your advice in regard to solutions. This is something that our communities have been grappling with for far too long. There is a real sense that we can find real solutions for people. So we are looking for that guidance from you.

Just one technical bit of information. Madame Demers will be conversing in French. We have translators, and we have the translating device here.

Again, thank you very much. I'm going to give you seven minutes.

Darlene, are you the spokesperson, or Karen, or are you both participating?

8:15 a.m.

Karen Kuzemczak Community Wellness Facilitator, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

We're both going to do it together.

8:15 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

Okay. I'll give you a signal when we're about halfway, and at the end of seven minutes I'll ask you to conclude your remarks in order to give our committee members a chance to ask questions. I'm sure they will ask lots and lots of very good questions of you.

Please begin.

8:15 a.m.

Darlene Angeconeb Coordinator, Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership Project, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

I'll start with our biographies.

Karen Kuzemczak was born and raised in Sioux Lookout. She is a single mother of two children. Karen has worked with aboriginal women at the First Step Women's Shelter, which is located here in Sioux Lookout. She currently works as the community wellness facilitator for Equay-wuk (Women's Group), where she provides community wellness workshops in remote first nations communities.

She also presently works at the Meno Ya Win Health Centre, the hospital, as a personal support worker, and as a lab technician for the Shibogama First Nations Council.

Outside of her workplace activities, she is also the chairperson of the Sioux Lookout community policing committee. She's a very busy person.

8:15 a.m.

Community Wellness Facilitator, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Karen Kuzemczak

Darlene Angeconeb is a member of the Lac Seul First Nation and she lives in Sioux Lookout. Her family participated in a government Indian relocation program to Elliot Lake in 1966. At six years of age she attended the Pelican Lake Indian residential school from 1969 to 1977 and completed high school in Sault Ste. Marie in 1983. Post-secondary studies include fine art at the Ontario College of Art and Design and political science at Algoma and Laurentian universities.

Darlene started working for Equay-wuk in 1999 as a project leader for the Nishnawbe women and self-government projects. She empowers women in remote northern communities by facilitating workshops on self-government, starting women's groups, women's leadership, and cultural sensitivity. Darlene currently works as the project coordinator for the Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership project, with the goal of increasing women's participation in leadership roles.

8:15 a.m.

Coordinator, Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership Project, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Darlene Angeconeb

That's who we are.

Our Equay-wuk program director, Sandra Bergman, is back there, so there are three of us here.

On the topic of violence against women.... Equay-wuk (Women's Group), first of all, is an aboriginal women's organization, and we serve women, youth, and families who reside within the northwestern Ontario first nations communities. We are a non-profit organization, provincially incorporated since 1989, serving aboriginal women from 31 of the first nations in the area. We are independent from other women's groups in Ontario or nationally. We don't really belong to ONWA or the Native Women's Association. We don't have membership there, and we do not receive core funding.

The main activities of our organization...we have two training programs. Job readiness training prepares aboriginal people, men and women, for employment. This program teaches life skills, writing, and computer training, and students work toward their high school diploma at the same time. They also participate in job placement at a business or an organization in Sioux Lookout. So that gets them ready for the work world.

We also have an early childhood education diploma program. This is done through distance education. Students don't have to leave their communities; they can study from the north. That's done through St. Lawrence College.

8:15 a.m.

Community Wellness Facilitator, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Karen Kuzemczak

We have three projects. The community wellness program provides workshops to first nations communities on self-esteem, bullying in cyberspace, health and sexuality, teen pregnancy, alcohol, drugs, and solvent abuse, family violence, healthy relationships, and physical, emotional, verbal, and sexual abuse. Nishnawbe Women's Wellness is a short-term project to develop holistic and culturally appropriate resource materials on physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual wellness. Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership provides workshops to first nations communities to increase aboriginal women's participation in leadership roles.

When funding is available, Equay-wuk (Women's Group) will host conferences and workshops on domestic violence, parenting, starting a home-based business, starting women's groups, and cultural sensitivity training.

8:20 a.m.

Coordinator, Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership Project, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Darlene Angeconeb

Our catchment area, the area we serve, consists of approximately 26,632 aboriginal people on and off reserve, with females making up over 50% of the population. It is fair to say that 8,000 to 9,000 are aboriginal women.

Aboriginal women in northwestern Ontario are the poorest of the poor in Canada. They are isolated because their communities are so remote. They have very little income and they live in conditions of poverty. We've heard in the news about all the different issues.

Aboriginal women experience abuse in many forms, and yet they are expected to be the main caregivers of the children and the elders and to somehow hold the household together. Aboriginal women become victims of violence and are virtually powerless to contend with some of the policies that do more harm than good.

8:20 a.m.

Community Wellness Facilitator, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Karen Kuzemczak

Some of the root causes of violence against aboriginal women are learned behaviours that find themselves rooted in colonization, assimilation, cultural genocide, residential schools, and children's aid services. Colonization and assimilation changed the roles of women within the community. Women were held in high esteem, but the imposition of the Indian Act only recognized the male as the head of the household and in a leadership position within a community. Government policies have been discriminatory against aboriginal women, and we have seen this with the ruling of Bill C-31, where women and their children have had to have their status as aboriginal people reinstated.

The loss of culture or breakdown to the extended family structure resulted in a lack of parenting skills in most aboriginal communities. A good example of this is the generations of people who attended residential schools. They were placed in a situation where they no longer learned the roles of women, men, or grandparents. When they left the schools to return to their home communities, they did not know how to parent, and this created many dysfunctions within the family structure.

8:20 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

We're just past seven minutes. If you could wrap up, then we'll proceed to questions.

I'm sorry it's so short.

8:20 a.m.

Coordinator, Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership Project, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Darlene Angeconeb

Okay.

We know about the residential schools and the violence and the abuse that happened. This was carried on and brought home to the communities.

In our recent interview with the Ontario Provincial Police...domestic violence is still occurring, and most of these incidents are related to alcohol. We figure that one out of every seven women has suffered violence, and these are reported incidents. For the unreported incidents, the number is even more--one out of every five or maybe one out of every four women suffer from violence.

As to the extent of the violence and who suffers, we know that the male usually goes to jail. We're saying it's male and female. There are also same-sex relationships, and some of those incidents are also part of these numbers, but not too many.

Women end up going to a shelter out of town--this is the scenario--and when they come back home, they are either with their kids or sometimes without their kids, because the kids will get taken by the children's aid services. That's what they're saying. Sometimes when the woman has to leave the community because of violence, the children are taken into care by Tikinagan. When this happens, sometimes the extended family gets involved and sometimes even the chief and council get involved. It affects the whole community.

The children basically have no support, and the spouse may also have relatives on the chief and council. So this happens....

8:25 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

I want to thank you. I'm hoping we can get to the rest of your presentation in the questions.

Right now, I need to welcome Chief Toulouse.

Thank you very much for coming. We'll give you eight minutes to give your presentation, to be fair.

8:25 a.m.

Chief Angus Toulouse Ontario Regional Chief, Chiefs of Ontario

I'll probably take six and I'll give my colleague the other two.

8:25 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

That would be marvellous.

8:25 a.m.

Ontario Regional Chief, Chiefs of Ontario

Chief Angus Toulouse

Good morning, committee members.

[Witness speaks in Ojibwe]

I'm here today on behalf of the chiefs in Ontario. I thank you for the invitation to appear before you on this important matter.

I'll begin by making some general comments on the issue of violence against indigenous women. As you know, first nations women are the most at risk group in Canada for issues related to violence. This situation, however, was not the case pre-contact, when our nations were healthy and our cultures were practised without interference. Our women enjoyed incomparable respect and even reverence from their families and from their nations. For example, the Haudenosaunee maintained a system of governance whereby the women held unprecedented political and social powers. They owned all the property of their nations. They maintained their own political councils in a clan system and had the power to remove their chiefs from office if they failed in their duties. Everyone had specific responsibilities to their families, to their nations, and to the Creator. Interwoven with these responsibilities was an essential principle that our collective existence depends upon our ability to demonstrate respect and to provide safety and security for the women of our nation.

It's important to point out how things were in the past in order to understand the full horror of the context in which we, and in particular our women, now live. Research has shown the alarming rates of violence experienced by aboriginal women within Ontario and that they are being targeted based on their ethnicity and gender. I believe these facts illustrate the deeply ingrained discrimination and broadly held racism in Canadian society that first nations women endure every day.

With the recent endorsement of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Canada should now be taking concrete actions to address its shameful record in upholding the rights of indigenous peoples. Such action should be based largely on the recommendations provided to Canada by indigenous peoples themselves. The problem of violence against indigenous women is reflective of Canada's failure to meet the minimum human rights standards of indigenous peoples.

I will remind you of article 22.2 of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, which states:

States shall take measures, in conjunction with indigenous peoples, to ensure that indigenous women and children enjoy the full protection and guarantees against all forms of violence and discrimination.

Article 23 of the UN declaration states:

...indigenous peoples have the right to be actively involved in developing and determining health, housing and other economic and social programmes affecting them and, as far as possible, to administer such programmes through their own institutions.

Again, unfortunately, the standard is far from being met within the province of Ontario. As the aboriginal healing and wellness strategy points out, there are only nine women's shelters within Ontario--where 133 first nations communities are located--that provide culturally relevant programming for first nations women and their families. In areas such as Manitoulin Island, only one women's shelter is available to service over 50 communities, including seven first nations communities. Programs and services should be developed at or with direct input from the first nations community level and should be funded based on need. This may seem like a difficult task, given the number of indigenous communities within the province, but it's necessary in order to respect the diversity of our communities.

With regard to missing and murdered first nations women, the large number of cases in Ontario illustrates that this issue is of national concern and should not be thought of as an isolated occurrence in the west. The most alarming outcome of recently gathered information by the Native Women's Association of Canada indicates there are higher rates of murder cases in Ontario than the national average.

In 2005 the Native Women's Association of Canada started the initiative, Sisters in Spirit, to address and raise awareness about the high number of cases of murdered and missing aboriginal women in Canada. The Sisters in Spirit initiative was mandated to conduct research and raise public awareness of the higher rates of violence against first nations women and girls. Sadly, in October of last year, the Government of Canada denied the renewal of funding for this initiative. Instead, an announcement was made that $10 million would be committed over two years to improve community safety and to ensure that the justice system and law enforcement agencies can better respond to cases of missing and murdered aboriginal women. This funding is not specific to first nations women and girls or programs and services in Canada. Instead, the money will go to law enforcement agencies that have no knowledge or capacity to address either the issue or the victims and their families in a culturally sensitive manner.

Further, the new federal program excludes Ontario first nations from accessing funding. The problem of violence against indigenous women is an issue of considerable complexity. Colonization has forced foreign ways of living on our people. As noted by the Native Women's Association of Canada, “Colonization remains the constant thread connecting the different forms of violence against Aboriginal women and girls in Canada.”

The traditional and life-affirming roles of our men and women have been forgotten or lost. The basic foundations of our culture have been destroyed and replaced. Generational grief, widely unrecognized and unaddressed, continues the process of erosion of our healthy family structures. In order to address the issue of violence, one must understand the history and impact of colonization on first nations people in Canada. There is much work to be done. It cannot be done by one government alone, nor can it be done without addressing the entire picture.

In conclusion, I ask you to adopt the following recommendations in your final report to Parliament: one, that the Government of Canada re-establish its support for the Native Women's Association of Canada and the Ontario Native Women's Association in their efforts to ensure that missing and murdered aboriginal women are a national priority, and includes first nations women in Ontario; two, that the Government of Canada ensure that proper facilities within communities, such as women's shelters and services, are available for those people who are victims or who have lost their loved ones through acts of violence; and three, that the Government of Canada jointly establish an independent public commission of inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women in Canada.

Meegwetch.

8:30 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

Thank you very much, Chief Toulouse.

We'll now go to our first round of questioning. It will be a seven-minute round, which will include the question and the answer. I would ask all involved to have succinct questions and answers so that we can hear from everyone as extensively as possible.

We'll begin with Madam Simson for seven minutes.

8:30 a.m.

Liberal

Michelle Simson Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I'd like to thank all the witnesses for appearing.

It's been a very interesting study. Part of the committee's challenge has been.... We did opt to go across Canada to the degree that we could, fully understanding that there are differences in the aboriginal community. There are differences among reserves.

As we've travelled across Canada, I've been trying to get an understanding regionally. What would you see as being specific to, say, Sioux Lookout, this particular area, the area that your organization services, that maybe we wouldn't have seen in our travels across the country?

8:35 a.m.

Community Wellness Facilitator, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Karen Kuzemczak

I think it would be the services available; for sure we're isolated.

8:35 a.m.

Liberal

Michelle Simson Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

More isolated than perhaps other communities.

8:35 a.m.

Community Wellness Facilitator, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Karen Kuzemczak

Than a larger centre, yes.

8:35 a.m.

Liberal

Michelle Simson Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

So that is definitely a huge challenge.

8:35 a.m.

Coordinator, Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership Project, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Darlene Angeconeb

In terms of the number of shelters, there's one here in Sioux Lookout, but there are two in the first nations in the north. A lot of times the first nation ends up using the shelter as a multi-purpose building. It's not really a shelter then, because the women are not safe in those places.

8:35 a.m.

Liberal

Michelle Simson Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

At the women's shelters here, would she typically take her children with her as well, if it's possible?

8:35 a.m.

Coordinator, Building Aboriginal Women's Leadership Project, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

8:35 a.m.

Community Wellness Facilitator, Equay-wuk (Women's Group)

Karen Kuzemczak

If she's able to bring her children out of the community, for sure she would.