Evidence of meeting #34 for Status of Women in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was young.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Coline Camier  Assistant Coordinator, Action travail des femmes
Marilyn Ouellet  Responsible for Equal Access Services, Action travail des femmes
Siham Chakrouni  Provincial Coordinator, Community Services, Ontario Movement for Francophone Immigrant Women
Regine Cirondeye  Board Member, Ontario Movement for Francophone Immigrant Women
Shellie Bird  Board of Directors Member, Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada
Katie Arnup  Board of Directors Member, Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada
Linda Hasenfratz  Chief Executive Officer, Linamar Corporation

4:10 p.m.

Responsible for Equal Access Services, Action travail des femmes

Marilyn Ouellet

Yes. It might be public education when those people take francization courses in Quebec. It would be a question of making it clear that equality between men and women falls under the core values of Quebeckers, for example. That could be done in francization courses, but also by example. They could be integrated in the process without necessarily forcing things on them. We could work with them so that they can see how to reach this equality. It is important to include them in the process and to empower them so that they carry those values with them later on, rather than try to force it down on them from on high, so to speak.

4:10 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

Thank you.

4:10 p.m.

A voice

You also have to raise awareness among all family members.

4:10 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

I am sorry, but Ms. James's time is up.

We are now going to start another round of questions.

Ms. Sgro, you have seven minutes.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Thank you to all for being here. We very much appreciate your comments and advice to the committee.

In particular to Ms. Chakrouni and Ms. Cirondeye, in what capacity do you think that family violence, when it comes to immigrant francophone communities, is holding women back from being able to pursue jobs and education and so on? How much is the family violence—which we know often occurs—preventing them from moving forward?

4:10 p.m.

Board Member, Ontario Movement for Francophone Immigrant Women

Regine Cirondeye

Not only does it prevent them from moving forward, but it also prevents their children from doing so. This is really a paramount concern, and we need to tackle it at its core, because those who are now young girls—that could even include young girls who were born here—cannot fly on their own, for all the reasons you just mentioned. They have seen a lot and they are stuck in their situations because, unlike girls from here, they are restricted by their families. That is the difference. In cases where girls are restricted to their homes, we absolutely have to take stronger action. Violence is always at the root, violence in all forms, for that matter.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Well, it certainly is not only—

4:10 p.m.

Provincial Coordinator, Community Services, Ontario Movement for Francophone Immigrant Women

Siham Chakrouni

I would add—

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Please, go ahead.

4:10 p.m.

Provincial Coordinator, Community Services, Ontario Movement for Francophone Immigrant Women

Siham Chakrouni

I would add that women aren't informed when it comes to their rights. In fact, it might be advisable to use somewhat plainer language and simpler ways to educate immigrant women about legal aspects, because they are not able to access the information. For the most part, they are extremely isolated. One solution would be to provide mentoring or training to the associations doing the hands-on work so they can give these women guidance and assistance. That education can start at the beginning of the process, from when they file a complaint to what happens after. In my experience working with these women, they are scared. They don't know what will happen to them, and they fear losing their children. They are scared of a lot of things, and that significantly limits them.

I just wanted to make that clear. It was a finding in our last study. Women don't know their rights, but would like to assert them and have that information.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Thank you very much. I agree wholeheartedly. Whether it's immigrant women or women and girls born in Canada, it's often a question of getting the information out to them on what services are available.

You had a project you did that was funded by Justice Canada. Through that project what steps have you been able to take to try to curb the whole issue of violence, and what method did you find was successful? What was effective?

4:15 p.m.

Provincial Coordinator, Community Services, Ontario Movement for Francophone Immigrant Women

Siham Chakrouni

The study was conducted. We are going to start sending it out to our partners and donors. We posted it on our website so as many people as possible could see it.

The study led to some findings, which I mentioned. Now we have to put certain measures in place. It's a lot of work. It will require the help of our partners so we can educate people about violence in easy-to-understand language, as I said. We must make sure these women know they are not alone and we must help them. It may be a good idea to train the agencies already in place. That way, as soon as a woman comes in, at least one person would be there to help. Efforts must be made to simplify things. We can certainly talk about solutions going forward, but as for right now, the study really shone the spotlight on certain realities. Now, we have to find solutions to help these women and the agencies in place.

4:15 p.m.

Board Member, Ontario Movement for Francophone Immigrant Women

Regine Cirondeye

Some approaches have been successful and have been used in multicultural communities. You should know that we approached prominent community figures: priests, imams and all those who represent something significant within the community. We didn't want the information to remain solely with us, with the agencies. We shared it with everyone, men and women alike. Some men beat their wives, and they would not want us to know that they are violent towards their wives at home. So we tackled the problem at the community level. By informing everyone, we can have a greater impact than if we target only women.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

It certainly sounds like you've made good use of that money from Justice Canada. I applaud the work that you're doing.

To Ms. Camier and Ms. Ouellet, have you been intervening on behalf of any cases in the last while with regard to women's equal access?

4:15 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

You have one minute to respond.

4:15 p.m.

Responsible for Equal Access Services, Action travail des femmes

Marilyn Ouellet

We have intervened in some equal access cases. Actually, our agency is currently in the middle of a reorganization. We haven't been on the job long. We haven't had time to review any cases since the Gaz Métro affair. We do a lot more one-on-one work and general awareness training for women's groups. For instance, we target women's groups such as the Haitian women's shelter, Maison des femmes haïtiennes, and other sizeable communities. We visit anyone who wants to see us. We go on site and speak to their members. We are doing a lot more field work right now.

4:15 p.m.

Assistant Coordinator, Action travail des femmes

Coline Camier

We also field a lot of calls from women inquiring about their rights and, in some cases, about possible discrimination in the workplace because they are immigrant women. We regularly receive calls about that. We explain what their options are in such cases. We advise them on how to obtain and keep evidence, and on how they should behave in the workplace in terms of the appropriate attitude. We look at how the situation could be resolved.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

I must cut you off as we are out of time.

I want to thank you for accepting our invitation and appearing before our committee today. It was extremely informative. Enjoy the rest of your day.

We will now take a two-minute break to sort out some technical issues before we proceed with our next witnesses.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

We are now resuming the 34th meeting of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. We are continuing our study with the help of our other witnesses.

Here with us today we have Shellie Bird and Katie Arnup, who is joining us from Toronto. They are both from the Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada.

We will also be hearing from Linda Hasenfratz, from Linamar Corporation. She will be joining us by telephone as our videoconferencing system doesn't seem to be working.

You each have 10 minutes, and then we will move on to questions.

The Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada will start us off. Ms. Bird or Ms. Arnup, you have 10 minutes.

4:25 p.m.

Shellie Bird Board of Directors Member, Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada

Thank you.

I'd like to thank you for this opportunity to present today. My colleague Katie Arnup and l represent the Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada. The CCAAC is dedicated to promoting publicly funded, inclusive, quality, public, and non-profit child care in Canada. Our organization is a non-profit, membership-based, and regionally representative organization. We have been advocating for better child care for the past 25 years.

I want to start on a personal note about my own experience as a parent and early childhood educator from working for over 20 years with toddlers and infants in a licensed non-profit child care centre here in the city of Ottawa. I have provided care and education to hundreds of young children, so I can speak first-hand about what is needed to ensure that they are given what they need to thrive and grow while their parents work or study.

Thirty-two years ago I was a young parent struggling, along with my partner, to provide for our young son. We, like many families living on modest incomes—and I can tell you that a child care worker's wage is very modest—struggled to find affordable child care that we could feel good about, that in using it we could feel we were being good parents and that our son was receiving the kind of care that would support him while we were working to put a roof over our heads and food on our table.

I also sat on the board of directors of my son's day care centre. I know how difficult it is for community-based child care centres to keep up their facilities, meet the daily needs of children, and recruit and retain a well-skilled and professional workforce, all on a shoestring budget. I have witnessed the desperation of countless parents needing access to affordable child care so they can work and provide for their children. I can tell you stories about parents dropping to their knees to implore the centre's director to give them a space so they can take an available job opportunity. l can tell you stories about young sole-support moms wanting to get off social assistance but being unable to find child care they could afford when they themselves worked for slightly above minimum wage.

These stories stretch back 30 years and continue to this day. This is wrong: Canadian children and families should not have to endure this in our country. The generation raising kids today is squeezed for time at home. They are squeezed for income because of the downward pressure on wages and the rising cost of housing and basic amenities. They are squeezed for services like early learning and child care that will help them to better balance raising children and earning a living.

Canadian women with young children have pursued higher education and joined the paid labour force in ever-increasing numbers over the past three decades. The majority of young families cannot survive on one income in today's economy. By 2009, the labour force participation rate of women with preschool children was 77%, a higher rate than in most European countries.

Canada's child care lags far behind not only western European countries but in some ways also Anglo-American countries. The most recent UNICEF report card, using 10 indicators of child care access and quality, ranked Canada at the bottom of the 25 wealthiest nations. While child care availability has crept up marginally over the decades, fundamentally the Canadian situation isn't any better than it was in the 1980s when a smaller proportion of women with young children were in the paid labour force.

What, you may ask, does this have to do with improving the economic prospects of girls? The reality is that the responsibility of bearing and caring for children continues to rest largely on women. Today's girls are tomorrow's mothers, and some of them will be tomorrow's child care providers.

If Canada is going to support a new generation of young girls and women to meet the new realities of the Canadian economy, one that requires their participation in the paid workforce, then Canada must make access to high-quality affordable child care a priority.

There is no turning back the clock. Women's contribution to family income is vital. Women's contribution to the Canadian economy is vital. Child care not only supports those women and families, but it makes good economic sense as well. We have seen the reports from Quebec that demonstrate that government investment in child care not only pays for itself, but brings in additional tax revenues by increasing women's labour-market participation.

I am here today to ask you to act in our interests and in our country's interest. It's time we took action on child care.

Thank you.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

Thank you.

Ms. Arnup, do you have anything to add? You still have four minutes.

4:30 p.m.

Katie Arnup Board of Directors Member, Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada

Thank you.

I am a second-generation child care advocate. I work for the Ontario Coalition for Better Child Care, Ontario's advocacy organization for policy and funding, with the aim to secure a universal, high-quality, not-for-profit early learning and child care system. I'm excited now to be one of the directors of the Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada.

In the 1980s, before and after I was born, my parents were part of the young movement fighting for affordable, accessible child care. Access to quality child care allowed my parents to pursue higher education and employment. My mother completed her Ph.D. and moved on to a career as a university professor. Beyond that, access to child care gave me quality early learning opportunities, socialization, and exposure to the amazing diversity of downtown Toronto.

My parents were part of the strong movement that has grown over the last 30 years of advocacy organizations, building from the grassroots across the country, united with labour unions and social justice groups, with the CCAAC at the lead. We have known for decades that the economic prosperity of not only women but our country as a whole depends on the creation of a national child care system.

It has been 25 years since the director of the Royal Commission on Equality in Employment called child care “the ramp that provides equal access to the workforce for mothers”. We even have domestic proof of this ramp. In Quebec, 70,000 more mothers are in the paid workforce as a result of their universal, affordable child care system.

In Quebec, child care for all families is just $7 a day, compared with fees upwards of $40 to $60 a day in Ontario. Yet here I am today, starting my career and looking forward to my future, and Canada is ranked last among the OECD nations on accessibility to early learning programs. I am ashamed and afraid of what the future will bring for young women like me.

Many countries have decided to invest in high-quality child care and early learning, acknowledging that it is fundamental to women's equality, and the best start for kids. They have also benefited from the huge economic returns, both immediate and long-term, that are achieved from investing in the early years.

I, along with my friends and colleagues, am part of the generation bearing the brunt of years of government cutbacks and a recent recession that has decimated the job market. We struggle to find employment and are left with huge student debt. Yet how can we do either if we cannot find high-quality child care? How are we supposed to afford it?

My darling niece Charlotte is a year old and one of the four out of five Canadian children without access to a licensed child care space. I do not want her to be fighting for affordable child care when she's grown up and thinking about her future.

At work I talk to countless parents, and the stories are all the same. Child care is too expensive, there's not enough of it, and despite the hard work and training, the staff working in the field—mostly women—are often underpaid and undervalued.

Twenty-six years ago the task force from this very committee declared child care a fundamental support service. It is time for progress. The lack of support for and from Status of Women Canada for research and advocacy has made it difficult for organizations like the CCAAC to maintain strong networks, do the kind of extensive research necessary for good policy-making, and build capacity to give voice to the needs of parents.

This committee can and should play a leadership role in calling for a closer examination of the crisis in child care and its impact on Canadian women, children, and families.

4:35 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

Thank you very much.

We will now move on to Ms. Hasenfratz, joining us by telephone.

Can you hear me clearly, Ms. Hasenfratz?

4:35 p.m.

Linda Hasenfratz Chief Executive Officer, Linamar Corporation

Yes, I do.

Can you hear me?

4:35 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

Yes.

I can hear you very clearly.

You have 10 minutes.