Evidence of meeting #37 for Status of Women in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was youth.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nancy Southern  President and Chief Executive Officer, ATCO Group
Elyse Allan  President and Chief Executive Officer, GE Canada
Bertha Mo  Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization
Ashley Julian  Member, Youth Council, Assembly of First Nations

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

Ms. Mo, I'd like you to take the success of your program then and perhaps scale it back to a younger age group, because the purpose of this study is to look at improving the economic prospects of girls—so maybe not those who have finished university or an accreditation or whatever. What can we do to start these girls off earlier on this successful path?

4:35 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

Bertha Mo

I'm sorry, I'm actually talking about two programs. The career mentoring program is with adults, but the immigrant and refugee youth program is for the 13- to 18-year-old child in school.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

Can you tell us a little bit more about that program?

4:35 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

Bertha Mo

We work with high schools, and right now we're at four high schools. It's usually the high-risk child, the child who looks like he or she is going to drop out, the child who's fighting, so it involves both boys and girls. The group meets for 10 to 14 weeks.

The environment of the group simulates a Canadian workplace. There's a time schedule. Someone in the group is targeted and trained to gather the people in the group when it's time for the group to meet. Someone is the timekeeper, there's a facilitator, and they talk about issues such as time scheduling, conflict management, résumé building, and how to present yourself at a job interview.

During the course of the 14 weeks different people representing the professions come in and talk about what it took to get into their profession.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

Ms. Mo, can I just stop you right there, in the interest of time, and ask you what the ratio is between boys and girls? Is it 50:50, 60:40? What is the ratio?

4:35 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

Bertha Mo

There are slightly more boys than girls, and that is because it was funded—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

That's okay. We don't need to know that.

4:35 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

My next question, then, in the interest of time again, is from the girls' perspective or what you've observed from the girls' perspective and the outcomes, are there any particular things you think we can do as a government or in the status of women programs to support more success in girls? Do you find that they are as successful as the boys are, coming through the program? Are there any particular indicators we need to know about?

4:40 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

Bertha Mo

Girls are very interested in relationships. So what we try to do is have the demographic profile of the facilitator fit that of the girls or the boys.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

I need to stop you there, Ms. Mo, because Ms. Young's time is up.

We now have Ms. Day.

You have seven minutes.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Anne-Marie Day NDP Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

I'm pleased to be able to speak to you. Welcome and thank you for your presentation.

I have a number of questions to ask. Our study focuses on girls and women. What is the percentage of girls and women compared with boys among the clientele you serve, which is made up of immigrants? Is it 50%?

4:40 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

Bertha Mo

The young immigrant women we serve are in larger numbers than men, and that's because it's easier for women to ask for help.

I have an immigrant women's program that is matched up with iSisters technology. We provide two levels of computer training to immigrant women. They just flock to the classes.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Anne-Marie Day NDP Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

I'm particularly interested in the relationships and interrelationships. Are the young women who use your services subject to some form of violence? Are they discriminated against compared with other Canadians?

4:40 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

Bertha Mo

Yes, they are. In fact, one of the reasons we had the groups in the schools was that the students felt isolated. There's subtle bullying and racism. You'll see that there isn't a lot of mixing. The students felt isolated. For example, at one school we have a group of largely Nepali-speaking girls. Because of their limited English, teachers couldn't even communicate well with them. So they had nobody to listen to them, nobody to bring issues to.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Anne-Marie Day NDP Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Do they experience violence—

4:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

Ms. Day, I'm sorry for interrupting you. Do you mind if we stop the clock and come back to you after the testimony of our witness who just arrived?

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Anne-Marie Day NDP Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Not a problem, Madam Chair.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

You have four and a half minutes left. So, you will have the opportunity to ask the other witness questions, as well, if you wish.

Good afternoon, Ms. Julian, from the Assembly of First Nations. We were waiting for you. Welcome.

You have 10 minutes for your testimony. We will then continue with our questions.

The floor is yours. You have 10 minutes.

4:40 p.m.

Ashley Julian Member, Youth Council, Assembly of First Nations

Thank you.

Good afternoon. Kwe.

Wela'lin for inviting the Assembly of First Nations to appear today.

[Witness speaks in her native language]

My name is Ashley Julian. I'm a Mi'kmaq woman from the Indian Brook First Nation community in Nova Scotia. I am here for the Nova Scotia and Newfoundland representative for the national youth council for the Assembly of First Nations.

The Assembly of First Nations is a national political organization representing first nations citizens in Canada. The Assembly of First Nations' role is to advocate for first nations priorities and objectives as mandated by the chiefs.

The Assembly of First Nations National Youth Council was created by a charter under AFN. The role and function of members of the national youth council is to represent first nations youth perspectives in all political, social, economic, cultural, and traditional manners.

I want to begin my presentation today by stating my appreciation for this study the committee has undertaken. Too often, policy development overlooks the early stage of life and focuses on addressing problems once they arise, as opposed to proactively understanding and planning for better outcomes.

I have identified three main areas of focus to improve the economic prosperity of first nations girls: education, employment, and safety and security.

First and foremost, first nations children deserve quality education. Since 1996 there has been a 2% fall in annual increases in Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada programs for first nations, including education. This has not kept up with inflation or population growth. The Assembly of First Nations estimates that there is a $3,800-per-child gap between funding for first nations schools and funding for other schools in Canada.

First nations children, simply by virtue of being born in a first nations communities, are expected to have a lower quality of education than other children in Canada. This is unacceptable. Improving the economic prospects of first nations girls requires fair and equitable funding for first nations schools. In addition, first nations girls have different educational paths than other girls in Canada. Among first nations girls, the most common reasons for dropping out of school are family caregiving responsibilities, whether for their own children or other members of their family, and trouble at home.

In 2006, 20% of first nations women over the age of 15 were lone parents, compared with 8% among other Canadian women. About 12% of teenage first nations girls were parents, compared with 1.3% of other Canadian teenage girls. Early motherhood and caregiving responsibilities can lead to a disruption in education, which leads to higher dropout rates. With support, these girls often re-engage with the education system later in life. Flexible programming and accessible child-care support are needed in first nations communities.

A strong example of promising practices comes from the National Association of Indigenous Institutes of Higher Learning, which emerged in recent years in response to the need for post-secondary programs that would better meet the learning requirements for first nations people and girls. An alternative to provincial colleges and universities, the indigenous institutes of higher learning provide programs from an indigenous perspective, including knowledge of one's identity and language. Many of these institutes are located within first nations communities, thereby improving access for students living in remote areas. They are also located in larger urban centres.

First nations girls need the tools and resources to actively engage in the market economy. But they also need opportunities and support to learn and understand the traditional roles, responsibilities, languages, and cultures of their traditional backgrounds.

Important studies by Chandler and Lalonde have looked at the preventative factor of cultural continuity in reducing suicide among youth. Steps to reinvigorate or actively support cultural learning and transferences increase individual resilience and self-confidence, which leads to economic and social success.

I will now move on to employment.

You are likely familiar with the aboriginal skills and employment training strategy, ASETS. First nations provide employment services as part of ASETS, many of which have specific youth, bridging, and transition support.

A specific example of one of these programs is Caldwell First Nation Employment and Training, located in southern Ontario, which assisted one of our youth clients, Samantha. Samantha credits the Caldwell First Nation Employment and Training Office with helping her through her first real summer job opportunity. This office helped her with her résumé and provided the wage subsidy that created jobs in Point Pelee National Park. Samantha finished university, went back to school, and is now graduating from college. She just landed her dream job. She is heading out to Alberta for a park service ranger job. Again, the Caldwell First Nation Employment and Training Office provided the funds Samantha needed to travel to Edmonton for an interview and support her on her employment journey.

ASETS promotes the importance of helping clients like Samantha in making connections for young girls and young people. Such dedicated support, coupled with mentoring and role modelling, are powerful tools for first nations girls; however, they are not always accessible due to changes in funding.

Finally, I want to note a crucial barrier to the economic prosperity of first nations girls—a lack of safety and security. The incidence of violence and insecurity faced by first nations girls and women is well known in these communities, given your previous study. It is extremely difficult for girls to meet their full potential, economically or otherwise, when they are under such great risk of witnessing or experiencing physical or emotional harm.

As noted in the interim report of this committee's study on violence against aboriginal women, a much greater focus is needed on family violence prevention, anti-bullying, and gang activity reduction.

To conclude, while first nations girls continue to be more disadvantaged than their non-first-nations counterparts, we can look with a real hope to gains that have been achieved in a few short generations. For example, one of our successful statistics around first nations girls and the educational opportunities is the Coady Institute, located at the St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia. It is a great opportunity for young female aboriginal and indigenous girls to attend a post-secondary institution in which they are taught leadership skills and roles and responsibilities.

Education is beginning to result in a real improvement for first nations people, but the rate and pace of change needs to accelerate, as it is simply not acceptable to leave first nations children behind.

Actions that can make a tangible difference in improving the economic prospects of first nations girls include flexible and accessible child care for first nations communities in urban and rural areas; support for mentoring in exchanges of formal economies, career development, indigenous languages, and traditional practices; and greater support for violence prevention, anti-bullying programs, and programs to deal with gang recruitment and activity.

I would like to thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today. Wela'lin.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

Thank you very much, Ms. Julian.

We are now going to continue our period of questions.

Ms. Day, you have four and a half minutes left.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Anne-Marie Day NDP Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I will share my time with Ms. Freeman. I have one last question for Ms. Mo. I'll be brief.

In your testimony, there was some question about the 50 languages spoken in your community, in particular by the youths in this counselling program. I imagine that you have a team of volunteers who can communicate with these youths.

With regard to immigration, do you think it would be important for the government to do something, to step in to help the communities?

4:50 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

Bertha Mo

For communities to…? Please complete your sentence.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Anne-Marie Day NDP Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

To help your youths, especially girls. You have a team of boys and of girls. Would it be important to intervene to help with the integration of those youths?

4:50 p.m.

Manager, Counselling Program, Ottawa Community Immigrant Services Organization

Bertha Mo

Absolutely, because we brought them here. The government brought them here through our immigration policies. We're using these policies to build Canada. We should not abandon people after bringing them here, either for economic reasons or humanitarian reasons.