Evidence of meeting #110 for Status of Women in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was elections.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Roxanne Fairweather  Co-Chair, Women for 50%
Norma Dubé  Director, Women for 50%
Dawn Wilson  Executive Director, PEI Coalition for Women in Government
Sylvie Asselin  President, Réseau femmes et politique municipale de la Capitale-Nationale
Marjolaine Gilbert  Coordinator, Réseau femmes et politique municipale de la Capitale-Nationale
Natalie Pon  As an Individual
Louise Cordeau  President, Conseil du statut de la femme
Susan Torosian  Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada
Carole Saab  Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Federation of Canadian Municipalities
Yolaine Kirlew  Third Vice-President and Councillor, Municipality of Sioux Lookout, Federation of Canadian Municipalities
Jeff Merrett  Director, Regulatory Affairs and Systems, Elections Canada

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you so much.

I'm sorry. Once again, this has been a very quick panel, but very informative.

I'd like to thank Roxanne Fairweather, who has left us, and Norma Dubé, from Women for 50%; Dawn Wilson, from PEI Coalition for Women in Government; and Sylvie Asselin and Marjolaine Gilbert.

Also, thank you very much, Natalie Pon and Louise Cordeau, for joining us.

Just as a reminder, because it was so quick, if you have any additional details, make sure you submit them to our clerk, and we will make sure they're handed out.

Thank you so much.

We'll be switching up our panels.

Members, since it's going to be a longer meeting, there is food at the back.

We're going to reconvene in about three minutes.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Welcome back to the 110th meeting of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. We are now switching over to our next panellists.

We are going to be meeting with Susan Torosian, executive director for policy and public affairs with Elections Canada, as well as Jeff Merrett, who is the director of regulatory affairs and systems for Elections Canada.

From the Federation of Canadian Municipalities, we have Carole Saab, executive director, policy and public affairs, as well as Yolaine Kirlew, third vice-president and councillor, Municipality of Sioux Lookout.

Thank you very much. We're going to start with seven-minute opening comments, starting with seven minutes from Elections Canada.

5:35 p.m.

Susan Torosian Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you to the members for inviting Elections Canada here to speak with you today.

Thank you for having invited Elections Canada to participate in the committee's study on barriers facing women in politics.

Elections Canada is an independent, non-partisan agency that reports directly to Parliament. Its mandate is to be prepared to conduct federal elections, by-elections, and referendums, as well as conducting public information campaigns on voting and becoming a candidate and administering the political financing provisions of the Canada Elections Act.

Elections Canada's raison d'être is to ensure that Canadians can exercise their democratic right to vote and be a candidate as guaranteed in section 3 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Data shows that women vote at higher rates than do men, and our estimates indicate that in the last general election, 68% of women voted, versus 64% of men. A similar pattern occurred in 2011 and 2008 general elections, and this was the case across all age groups up to the age of 65, at which point men tended to vote at higher rates than women did. This trend was also observed in all provinces and territories, with the exception of P.E.I. and Yukon. As you can see, the under-representation of women is not at the voting booth but in the House of Commons.

In the last general election, less than a third, or 30%, of candidates were women, and 26% were elected as members of the House of Commons. However, we see a small upward trend in the proportion of female candidates, from 28% in both 2008 and 2011 to 30% in 2015. The proportion of women who were elected as MPs has also grown, from 22% in 2008 to 25% in 2011 and 26% in 2015. The proportion of female MPs in the House of Commons actually now stands at 27% following 13 by-elections since the last general elections. We just finished one last night, as a matter of fact.

This committee is well aware that the barriers to women's participation in politics are numerous and complex.

I personally had the opportunity to speak at a campaign school for women organized by the Nova Scotia Advisory Council on the Status of Women this past May. Over the course of that event, I had the opportunity to hear from a broad cross-section of women across society who have faced barriers similar to those we've seen in the research. These include the cost of the nomination process, a lack of political will, lower levels of self-confidence in the political field, the burden of caring for family members, and social barriers such as economic disparity, gendered stereotypes, discrimination, and harassment.

My presentation will be about barriers related to two aspects of Elections Canada's mandate: the administration of the political funding system under the Canada Elections Act, and the communication of information to the public about how to become a candidate.

The Canada Elections Act contains provisions that serve to level the financial playing field by imposing spending limits for nomination contestants, candidates, and parties. Spending limits create equal opportunity for all participants by limiting the amount of funding that is required to compete in a nomination contest or election. The act also regulates personal expenses incurred as the result of their candidacy. These include child care expenses and expenses relating to the provision of care for a person with a physical or mental incapacity.

Because these expenses are regulated, they must be paid for from funds that the candidate raises. If they are not reimbursed by the campaign, a candidate who pays for their own personal expenses is making what is known as a contribution. Candidates can contribute up to $5,000 to their own campaign. This limit and the requirement that personal expenses must be paid using campaign funds may place candidates with care-related expenses at an unfair disadvantage.

Recognizing that this can lead to unintended and undesirable consequences, the former Chief Electoral Officer recommended that Parliament remove the restriction that contribution limits on personal expenses have. Bill C-76 includes a provision that would permit candidates to use campaign funds or their own funds to pay these types of expenses.

The use of the candidates' own funds will no longer be subject to the candidates' contribution limit. As well, candidates who receive 10% of the vote would also be eligible for a 90% reimbursement of their care expenses, compared to the current 60%.

This small measure would assist women and all candidates who have child care and other care-related expenses and would put them on a more equal playing field or more equal footing as compared to other candidates.

Elections Canada has put significant effort into understanding barriers to voter participation, providing clear information products and improving our services to help people exercise their right to vote. We also offer a variety of information and training resources around the rules governing candidacy.

Our website includes general information on how to become a candidate, guidelines for candidates' representatives, training videos, and handbooks for contestants and candidates. We also offer annual in-person training sessions and online training for agents and others who support nomination contestants and candidates.

During elections, the returning officers in each riding hold an all-candidates meeting to provide the support and guidance candidates need. Our efforts are complemented with year-round support through the political financing support network.

I would now like to come back for a moment to the work we do on removing barriers to voting.

Each year we conduct sessions with various organizations representing target groups that, based on evidence, are more likely to face barriers. We also offer teaching resources and training for educators working with youth under the ages of 18 in schools across Canada. We will be launching a new suite of curriculum-linked educator resources this fall designed to build the interest, skills, and knowledge required to be active citizens.

In response to a rise in demand from civil society groups, we are considering producing information products and a discussion module that can be used at our Inspire Democracy stakeholder events across the country. Depending on the response, we could eventually integrate this type of programming into our educator resources for pre-voters as well.

In conclusion, the barriers that face women entering politics are neither simple nor straightforward. Addressing them will likely require a mix of solutions and undoubtedly require the involvement of various segments of society.

As the administrator of the Canada Elections Act, Elections Canada can play a small role in this important issue. I would appreciate hearing from members of the committee of any additional ideas you may have for us in terms of how we can contribute, and I would be pleased to assist the committee as you study this issue.

I will be pleased to answer committee members' questions or comments.

I would be happy to take any questions or comments that may have.

Thank you very much.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you very much. We really appreciate those comments.

We're now moving over to the Federation of Canadian Municipalities for seven minutes.

5:45 p.m.

Carole Saab Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Thank you very much, Madam Chair, and good afternoon, everyone.

My name is Carole Saab. I'm the executive director of policy and public affairs with the FCM. I'm joined here today by Councillor Yolaine Kirlew, who was just elected as our third vice-president two weeks ago, alongside our second consecutive female president, Vicki-May Hamm

Ms. Hamm is the mayor of Magog.

With an elected board executive that's now 60% female, FCM members are walking the talk, and we're starting to see more women in leadership positions across all orders of government. I say “starting”, but obviously, as you've been hearing today, there is much more to do.

In municipal government, just 26% of elected leaders are women. Among mayors, it's only 18%. Canada's commitments under the 1990 UN Economic and Social Council resolution to adopt a 30% minimum proportion of women in leadership positions have not yet been fulfilled. According to the UN, if women make up fewer than 30% of a government's representatives, its policies cannot be trusted to address their needs.

Canada and our cities and communities simply cannot afford to lose the insights and expertise of one half of our population. That's why FCM has been pushing for change, targeting barriers to women's participation in municipal politics.

FCM maintains a network of over 50 regional champions across the country to promote women's engagement in municipal elections and to mentor candidates. We also operate programs aimed at increasing women's representation in local government.

Our current program, FCM's Diverse Voices for Change, a project undertaken with funding from the Government of Canada, provides tools to help municipalities engage with under-represented women for a more inclusive decision-making system. The municipalities of Edmonton, Halifax, London, Montreal, and Sioux Lookout, Ontario, are working with community organizations to implement strategies, recommendations, policies, and procedures to strengthen the voice of women from diverse communities. Before that, FCM's Head Start for Young Women program brought women municipal politicians together with groups of young women to identify and address barriers and serve as a mentorship program.

Now, as we look to the future, we're looking beyond pilot municipalities. We're looking beyond the 30% goal towards parity. We see a real opportunity here to build a nationwide partnership that includes our 19 provincial and territorial municipal associations and to build meaningful collaboration with women's organizations at the national, regional, and local levels. By working together to break down barriers, this multi-stakeholder partnership will level the playing field and provide a better opportunity for all Canadians to play a part in influencing policy.

Speaking of women in local government, we're sharing our time, so I'm going to pass it over to our newly elected third vice-president, Councillor Kirlew. Again, she is from Sioux Lookout and flew to be here with us today. This is one of her first opportunities in her new capacity, and I can't think of a more appropriate topic.

Over to you, Councillor Kirlew.

5:45 p.m.

Yolaine Kirlew Third Vice-President and Councillor, Municipality of Sioux Lookout, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Thank you very much.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

It truly is a pleasure to be here. Usually the legs of the journey are about three flights to get from Sioux Lookout to Ottawa. On those long trips I am always thinking about what it is that really needs to be stated and how it needs to be stated clearly to our Ottawa audience, so I am looking forward to this opportunity today.

As you know, this is my first opportunity to come before you. I must say that when I first considered running in Sioux Lookout, there were quite a few different pressures that certainly weighed on me. I will lay out for you the experiential component to what has been laid out by Carole.

The pushes came from different sources. They came from family. They came from a community that, being a rural northern environment, is typically not familiar with diversity to the extent that cities are. Being originally from the cities and then moving to the north—and I have been there for about 10 years plus—I find it really interesting to see the dynamics of how communities embrace diversity within the framework of decision-making.

I heard the voices that said, “Maybe you're too new to the environment. Maybe you need to take a little bit more time to get to know the community, even though you've been here for 10 years.” I've also heard individuals say, “Perhaps you should wait this election out and wait for another cycle.” Many, many pushes were there. Certainly, being one who does not back away from a challenge, I approached it with vigour and dynamism, to say that the role of democracy is to engage and to make sure opportunities are there for all voices to be at the table, so I pressed forward and I made sure I stood firm in deciding to run.

Most interestingly, one of the things I would call a catalyst, something that really cemented the decision for me, was a little Caucasian boy who I think was about seven. I went to a school program in the evening, and he coyly came up beside me and asked me, “Are you black?” and I said, “Pretty much. I think so. It's the colour I was born in. I stayed out in the sun a little bit too long.” He said, “I've never seen a black person before. I don't know what to do with a black person. What do I do? How do I approach you?” I said, “I think you're doing a good job. You started by saying that this is not something you're used to, but the fact that you took that step to talk to me is encouraging me to make sure that I am visible and I am involved and I am engaging.” That way, the next generation can see what it means to have leadership from diverse backgrounds and can build within their learning experience the idea that leadership comes from all facets of life from all types of people with all types of skill sets.

Therefore I thank the little boy—let's call him Johnny—for being my angel and making sure that I wouldn't back down amid all the other challenges that existed, that I was present, and that I'd made that choice to get involved.

Today, four years later, I'd say that I have had many, many opportunities to continue that journey. I know you have heard that I am now the third vice-president for FCM and in three years will have the grand opportunity to represent FCM. I'll be the very first racialized minority female, and I'm an immigrant who now lives in Canada and has called Canada home for about 29 years.

It's an interesting opportunity to engage this notion of diversity and see how we grapple with being different and how we make those differences a part of the process of building better and stronger communities with a unified voice regardless of differences.

We need—

5:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Actually, we're shortly over our seven minutes already. What we're going to do is start our line of questioning. I've seen your brief here and it's a little bit different, I know, but please, we can have conversations afterward, and if you wish to send us any additional comments, that would be great.

5:50 p.m.

Third Vice-President and Councillor, Municipality of Sioux Lookout, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

5:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

We're going to do our first round, and each will be seven minutes.

We're going to start off with Sean Fraser.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Excellent. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Thank you to our witnesses for being here.

As just a small coincidence, my sister is the only person I've ever met who has lived in Sioux Lookout, so she was formerly a neighbour.

Starting with Elections Canada, when we had Stats Canada witnesses here—and I'm just jogging my memory a little bit—one of the things they discussed was the different kinds of data they have. To some degree, they have fairly disaggregated data when it comes to general elections. When it comes to nominations, they indicated that there is no record kept of the gender of people who actually seek nominations.

Can you confirm that's the case, and is there any barrier preventing you from collecting that data today?

5:50 p.m.

Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada

Susan Torosian

We currently collect gender information as part of the process. When candidates make their application, they would consent to sharing the gender data, and we share that with the House of Commons.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Is that just for general elections or for the nomination process as well?

5:50 p.m.

Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada

Susan Torosian

It's for general elections, not for the nomination.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

For the nomination process, is there anything preventing you from looking behind the party curtains to get that data as well?

5:50 p.m.

Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada

Susan Torosian

I'll defer to my colleague.

June 19th, 2018 / 5:50 p.m.

Jeff Merrett Director, Regulatory Affairs and Systems, Elections Canada

After a nomination contest is held, the registered association that holds the contest files a nomination contest report with us that basically names all the contestants and indicates who won. On that form, there is no gender identification. We could do something in that area, but it would basically be just evaluating the names on those contest reports and assigning a gender based on the name, which wouldn't be perfect.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Literally, if there was a box added to this form, would this problem be solved, and we could have that data disaggregated by gender? Is there an obstacle preventing us from adding that box, asking male, female, or other?

5:55 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Affairs and Systems, Elections Canada

Jeff Merrett

I guess there's just no program authority to collect the information. You get into privacy stuff when it's not prescribed in the law that we collect that information.

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

What kind of change in the law would be required? I think it's a great idea to get this information. Is there a legal change that we could find that would accomplish this?

5:55 p.m.

Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada

Susan Torosian

Perhaps we could take that question, and come back to you—

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

I'd greatly appreciate that.

5:55 p.m.

Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada

Susan Torosian

—because we're not quite sure whether there would be a legal.... I suspect there would have to be some kind of legislative change.

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Well, I'd appreciate it if you could follow up with the clerk. That would be excellent.

5:55 p.m.

Executive Director, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada

Susan Torosian

Absolutely.

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

The second issue that you raised was about the kinds of everyday life expenses that are perhaps disproportionately borne by women who seek office. Child care is a perfect example. Some of the changes coming in are very positive and are going to make a big difference, but if you use campaign funds for the cost of child care, is that going to eat into your campaign expenses, or is it going to be treated as a separate pool of money that you're allowed to spend, even though you've raised it for campaign purposes?