Evidence of meeting #111 for Status of Women in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was candidates.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

William McBeath  As an Individual
Brenda O'Neill  Associate Professor, Department of Political Science, University of Calgary, As an Individual
Bob Bratina  Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, Lib.
K. Kellie Leitch  Simcoe—Grey, CPC
Sonia Sidhu  Brampton South, Lib.
Madeleine Redfern  Mayor, City of Iqaluit
Arezoo Najibzadeh  Executive Director, Young Women's Leadership Network
Daniela Chivu  As an Individual

4:50 p.m.

Executive Director, Young Women's Leadership Network

Arezoo Najibzadeh

In terms of immediate supports, we believe that creating a sexual violence and education role within the administrative team of the institution to centralize the policies, the report mechanisms and the supports for survivors will make a huge difference in terms of encouraging folks to come forward and to find ways to remain within our political institutions.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Pam Damoff

Thank you very much.

Ms. Chivu, you have seven minutes.

4:50 p.m.

Daniela Chivu As an Individual

Good afternoon to all.

Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to share some of my observations and understanding about women's engagement in politics.

As a woman who has been actively involved and engaged in politics for the past 15 years, I believe that a study of this topic is long overdue. I have participated in politics as a volunteer in various municipal, provincial and federal capacities. These experiences allowed me to have a very clear understanding of the challenges of many courageous and capable women who have faced, in the past, the same challenges we are still facing today while being part of the political process.

I call them courageous, because as we all know, it takes courage to run for political office and face the challenges that come with it. I had spoken to and listened to women from across the political spectrum before deciding to be a candidate in the last election for the Conservative Party of Canada.

After the election, we spoke again. At this point in time, I came to the conclusion that I did not want to be a mere female statistic in politics. On the contrary, I want my merits, hard work, knowledge and experience to be appreciated and recognized in order to keep me engaged.

I must give credit where credit is due. My nomination process was fair and transparent. I received support from the party, but not enough to win the elections, and this was coupled with an unfavourable political climate at the time for us. Nevertheless, I have received as much support as humanly possible from the Honourable Jason Kenney, who at the time was minister of national defence, and Quebec senator Jean-Guy Dagenais.

In fact, the real problem for getting women engaged in politics lies within the organization of the parties. The leaders of the parties are seen as gods, surrounded by judges who most of the time elevate themselves to the level of demigods. This trait of character goes for both men and women surrounding the leader in any given political party setting. Unfortunately, some of them are very poor judges of character and experience, yet they are the people who decide whether a woman is fit to be a candidate or not.

Aside from the organizational problem of the parties, there are a few reasons why women are reluctant to take part in the political process. One, a woman with a strong voice and independent opinion is perceived as a threat rather than an asset, which is not the case for a man with the same qualities, who is perceived as a stand-up guy and a principled man.

Two, a woman with drive in politics is seen as dangerous, because there is little faith in her capacity to achieve.

Three, there is a subtle discrimination through labelling, by the organization of the party and media alike. For example, the whole idea of a star candidate creates negative competition among candidates. This approach discredits deserving women candidates and their merits. They are the first victims of this.

Only a very small number of women get winnable ridings, as most important ridings are given to men. A woman has to struggle to ensure her finances during an election year, as parties do not make any effort to financially back women to ensure a successful campaign. Women feel abandoned.

Once you become a candidate, the media will form its own narrative, which may put women in danger. The opinion of the media does not go unnoticed by the population. Therefore, a woman candidate will suffer consequences such as humiliation, harassment, verbal abuse and sometimes even death threats. I have experienced them all.

In my opinion, political parties need to create conditions to encourage and give women equal opportunities to run for office. Nevertheless, as women, we must also realize that if we want to have an equal voice to that of men, we must make an effort to put partisanship aside and work together. It is up to us to choose whether to be divided based on partisanship and ideological lines, or to work toward a compromise to ensure women get elected in the Parliament of Canada. Instead of making politics a scavenger's playground, we could work together.

At the same time, we must take a good look around the House of Commons and see how many members of Parliament who have passed retirement age are still serving. Retirement age is also an important factor to be taken into account. If parties genuinely want women to get involved in politics, they must allow and give them the space, tools and means to carry on.

Unless we form a non-partisan coalition that makes the election of women a larger priority in order to get them elected into the Parliament of Canada, we will never succeed. Unfortunately, women will remain unemployable statistics for having carried one party colour or another and for being equally forgotten by their own parties at the end. It is very sad, but it's true.

In conclusion, I would say that after having experienced and witnessed the pain, struggle and disappointment of my colleagues of all parties who have lost their elections, including me, we may all carry different logos, but in our own ways we all have the best interests of Canadians at heart. This is why I have accepted to testify here today.

Personally, I do not know how my story will end. What I do know is that one day I want Canada to have a woman prime minister who will last longer than three months in Parliament and where women's voices are as strong and as many of those of men. For that, I am ready to work with all of you to make this happen. This can be achieved only through balanced compromise. I personally remain committed to helping to empower women's and girls' aspirations to become members of Parliament, because the responsibility remains with us to ensure that in the future there should be a place for every woman and every girl who wants to make a difference in the House of Commons to serve our country.

Time is too precious to be wasted. In terms of the acceptance of being a statistic, women and girls deserve more than being a collective statistic. Most women I know who are engaged in politics are competent, experienced and knowledgeable individuals with intrinsic values in terms of pursuing political careers and being able to make a difference in the lives of Canadians.

Thank you very much for your attention.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Pam Damoff

Thank you very much, and thank you for staying within the seven minutes.

Our first round of questioning is going to Ms. Sahota.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

Thank you to all of you. You all have different perspectives.

This study is trying to figure out how to get more women involved in politics, so I appreciate your dream. It's also my dream to see a woman prime minister one day, hopefully in my lifetime.

We do have inherent problems right now. Women are judged differently from their male counterparts when they're competing in elections. We can even see that with the President of the United States being elected despite many allegations and video footage of admission, basically, as well. We're seeing that in many places.

Because of that, there was the #MeToo movement, and now, even in terms of the Supreme Court nominee, a lot is coming out about that. I think it's a very interesting time to be living in, and to see whether we as a society are going to tolerate these things and accept them, or whether we're going to put a stop to them. I commend all the work you're doing in this area.

What do you think we can do at the federal level as parliamentarians here, or at this committee, in order to help put an end to some of the issues you're seeing? What do you think the federal responsibility should be? That's open to all of you, because all of you have different angles and perspectives to bring to this.

5 p.m.

Executive Director, Young Women's Leadership Network

Arezoo Najibzadeh

As I said in my last point, I think that what we could do here in Ottawa, even for just the House of Commons employees and the folks who interact with this institution, is to create an external support mechanism, so that all the reports, all the support systems and all the policies become centralized there.

I think it's really important for folks to have access to non-partisan and survivor-centric supports when they experience these things. A lot of women are entering politics, but they end up leaving because of sexual violence. If we have holistic measures that not only deal with the legal and justice system aspects of the work and the internal mechanisms of the system, but that also provide mental health support through other forms of engagement with a non-political system, that will definitely keep women in politics.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

Recently we revisited our code of conduct between members and also between members and staff. I think staff are even more vulnerable in Parliament just because of the lack of authority, maybe, that they actually have here. There has been quite a lot of attention given to this matter, yet there's still this hesitance to come forward and report these incidents of—

5 p.m.

Executive Director, Young Women's Leadership Network

Arezoo Najibzadeh

That has to do with the culture.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

Yes.

5 p.m.

Executive Director, Young Women's Leadership Network

Arezoo Najibzadeh

No one will go near the policy until they feel they're supported by their community, their bosses, their party staff or their colleagues. Until our culture catches up to where the policy expects us to be, we're not going to see any change. The work we do with our training and making sure that grassroots movements and organizations have access to ways to address these issues focuses specifically on that.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

I think all levels probably need to play a role, because these incidents are happening so frequently. We have a candidate running for mayor in my city, Brampton, right now, who was removed from a provincial party in Ontario, but municipally they don't have the same type of pressure. Parties can do something as well, but at certain levels there are no parties to take action either, so what do you do in that circumstance?

5 p.m.

As an Individual

Daniela Chivu

If I may intercede, you need to establish a non-partisan coalition for women and establish guidelines by which all parties abide. You don't need an established guideline at the municipal level and one at the provincial level in order to establish guidelines when we are discussing women's rights, for example. We all agree that rape is wrong. We all agree that we need more women to be elected in the Parliament of Canada. We all agree that there is a problem currently and we don't know how to deal with it, because there are so many issues that we can institutionalize the issues rather than the solutions.

What we need to do is to put our partisanship and our ideological guidelines aside and make women a priority. If we are incapable of doing that, we're not going to succeed. This is not going to happen.

I have friends from all political parties, including separatists in Quebec, but at the end of the day, we are all women. We all have the same goal. We want to make a difference. How do we achieve that difference if, when we get attached to a political party, we wind up in a whole different hunting game just to win? The prize, yes, is to win, but for what purpose? What do we bring to the table? How do we achieve what we want to bring to the table?

5 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

I really like your idea of a non-partisan coalition. I think that's really interesting, because I think the reason women get so frustrated with reporting is that you continue to see the person who may have acted inappropriately or whatever succeed even after the fact. So what was the point, right?

5 p.m.

As an Individual

Daniela Chivu

Absolutely.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

You hinted a little bit about cyber-bullying. We've all experienced quite a bit of that. What I have exchanged with my male colleagues is that during difficult issues, they may get some nasty comments as well, but we've compared the types of comments we get. Usually their attacks are on the policy and are not as personal. Females tend to get very personal, aggressive attacks, and even, at times, threats, as you said.

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Daniela Chivu

“If you were Stephen Harper I would have killed you right now.”

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

What could we do about that? How do we monitor social media in a way that helps encourage women to run?

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Pam Damoff

You have 30 seconds.

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Daniela Chivu

This was not in the social media. This was face to face. I was confronted face to face while door knocking. The individual actually could have killed me. It's as simple as that. As women, we pay for the rhetoric that is being built, the language that is being built during an election campaign; men are not treated the same way.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

Thank you.

5:05 p.m.

Mayor, City of Iqaluit

Madeleine Redfern

I would just share that in the political landscape with indigenous people, we recognize that we need to do reconciliation. The reality is that we have to do something on women's participation in politics.

The media has a huge role to play. Social media has a huge role to play. I think a lot of sensitivity training needs to happen and there needs to be better moderation of how women are portrayed in politics. For the most part it's still a very male-centric and Caucasian-privileged place. It influences tremendously how the public is going to view women in politics or women in leadership.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Pam Damoff

Thank you.

Dr. Leitch, you have seven minutes.

5:05 p.m.

Simcoe—Grey, CPC

K. Kellie Leitch

Thank you very much.

I have some questions for each of you. Maybe you can follow up on what you just commented on, Madam Redfern. Obviously, you're a very influential, well-respected individual as a mayor in northern Canada. I grew up in northern Canada and I have to say I commend you as a woman for being able to position yourself as you have.

I want to ask you with respect to both your gender and, since you raised it, your indigenous background what you think are the things that have allowed you to be successful in your political career. What have been the barriers? Is one a greater influence than the other or are they just different?

5:05 p.m.

Mayor, City of Iqaluit

Madeleine Redfern

There is an interesting intersection between racism and sexism when you are a woman from a minority background. I would have to say that my confidence probably came from the fact that I went to 11 schools in 13 years. That was pretty tough, being a minority growing up in Yellowknife or Saskatoon or Vancouver. You get a thick skin, which is unfortunate. I don't think any person—or child—should have to be subjected to that.

It also comes from being educated. The fact is that when you know that you have convictions and principles, you're going to say what needs to be said, irrespective of the death threats—absolutely—or of the mistreatment and abuse you get subjected to. You know the truth, and someone has to say it.

However, it's not only at our personal cost—it's a cost to our families. My family gets subjected to abuse—it's out of bounds—facilitated by both the media and social media. I think we need to control that a lot better, because it's not acceptable. I could tell you about the abuse that I've been subjected to in this term alone. I know for a fact that there are women who would have run but won't run now, because they've seen. Why would you put yourself or your family through it?

5:05 p.m.

Simcoe—Grey, CPC

K. Kellie Leitch

Yes, there are probably several women at this table who can comment on that. I completely agree with you.

Ms. Chivu, maybe I can ask you a couple of questions along the same lines, about this difference in how women are treated, both by the media and otherwise, even potentially by our own political parties. You're a woman who has grown up in Romania. You came here as an adult. You have a perspective of two countries.

I'd like to ask you two questions, and then the others can comment if they would like to. First, what do you think Canada is doing well? You have a perspective of another nation that has a political system. My second question is about the issue of the media and political parties allowing the bullying of women. What do you think the responsibilities are for the federal government? I recognize the sexual harassment part, but there's a lot of bullying that goes on that also needs to be addressed. How do you think that those conditions can be changed?

You can start, but others can also comment.