Evidence of meeting #131 for Status of Women in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was living.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jackie Holden  Senior Director, Seniors Policy, Partnerships and Engagement Division, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Charles MacArthur  Senior Vice-President, Assisted Housing, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
Romy Bowers  Chief Commercial Officer, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
Irene Mathyssen  London—Fanshawe, NDP
Karen Hall  Director General, Social Policy Directorate, Strategic and Service Policy Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Sonia Sidhu  Brampton South, Lib.
Catherine Scott  Director General, Community Development and Homelessness Partnerships Directorate, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Phil McColeman  Brantford—Brant, CPC
Danielle Bélanger  Director, Strategic Policy, Policy and External Relations Branch, Department for Women and Gender Equality
Anne Milan  Chief, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Anna Romano  Director General, Centre for Health Promotion, Health Promotion and Chronic Disease Prevention Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada
Salma Zahid  Scarborough Centre, Lib.
Franca Gatto  Director, Aging, Seniors and Dementia Division, Centre for Health Promotion, Health Promotion and Chronic Disease Prevention Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada
Sébastien Larochelle-Côté  Editor-in-chief, Insights on Canadian Society, Statistics Canada
Bob Bratina  Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, Lib.

10:30 a.m.

Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, Lib.

Bob Bratina

Also, I'm including my grandparents of 104, 103, 98, 95, and 90, and I've made lots of observations about their care.

First of all, Ms. Bélanger, have you looked at the impact that a basic income would have on the problems and related costs of what you have presented?

10:30 a.m.

Director, Strategic Policy, Policy and External Relations Branch, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Danielle Bélanger

Definitely, income and economic security is a big issue for the aging population. We've been looking at medium income, and we've been using StatsCan data to have a look at what the impact is, especially on senior women.

What we've found is that senior women's medium income has risen since a historic low point in the 1990s, and that senior men's income has remained 1.5 times higher. Really, senior women are vulnerable. The evidence base is what we are using to think about policy options and policy interventions that we should be considering in the longer term.

In the Department for Women and Gender Equality, as part of our mandate, we do policy and some research. As to actual programming, we don't have anything that's specifically targeted to senior women, but certainly the gathering of evidence is really important.

10:30 a.m.

Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, Lib.

Bob Bratina

Wouldn't you assume that removing the threat of affordability for food and lodging would relieve some stress issues for people in this category?

10:30 a.m.

Director, Strategic Policy, Policy and External Relations Branch, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Danielle Bélanger

Absolutely. Food insecurity is really big. There is also—you spoke earlier about this—inadequate and unaffordable housing, inaccessibility for transportation in the built environment as well, and there are lots of different barriers that senior women face. Certainly, if senior women are living in poverty, it's exacerbated even more.

10:30 a.m.

Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, Lib.

Bob Bratina

Ms. Milan, how reliable is the information collection?

I was at a dinner a week or so ago, and there was a couple at the table in their 80s. They were high-functioning, had driven to dinner and all that stuff. Somebody said, “You can get the link for this on your computer”, and they said, “We don't have a computer.” I don't know how pervasive that is among the senior population, but is there any difficulty in gaining this information from the cohort, the older group?

10:30 a.m.

Chief, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Anne Milan

Do you mean, for example, Statistics Canada data?

10:30 a.m.

Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, Lib.

10:30 a.m.

Chief, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Anne Milan

We're certainly trying to make an effort to make our StatsCan website more user-centric and more accessible to the public, so we're doing improvements all the time there. We welcome feedback from the public.

We're increasingly organizing the content around themes, so that, if someone were interested in data on seniors, it would be much easier to find it. We're in the process of organizing a portal on seniors. That is in development now. We are making efforts to make this data more accessible to the public, including seniors.

10:35 a.m.

Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, Lib.

Bob Bratina

With regard to public health, in observing these older folks in our family, it was obvious on some occasions that incorrect medicines were given because what a doctor suggested was changed by the observation of a nurse.

In Hamilton, we have the downtown department of family medicine at McMaster tied in with clinics to be in proximity to the vulnerable population and public health all in the same space. I'm wondering if we're seeing improvement in how doctors and the medical profession are able to deal with the problems presented by the senior population.

February 21st, 2019 / 10:35 a.m.

Director General, Centre for Health Promotion, Health Promotion and Chronic Disease Prevention Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada

Anna Romano

It's a great question. Again, that whole area of non-compliance with medication would fall under the mandate of Health Canada, so I'm sorry but I can't answer.

10:35 a.m.

Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, Lib.

Bob Bratina

Okay.

Eva, go ahead.

10:35 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I'd like to thank the witnesses for their informative presentations. It would've been nice to have more time to ask them questions.

My first question is for Ms. Milan, from Statistics Canada.

As everyone knows, Canada's population is getting older. In my riding of Vimy, which is in Quebec, more than a quarter of the population is over the age of 65. Given the gender gap in life expectancy, women live longer than men.

Can you tell us whether that gap has shrunk, and if so, why?

10:35 a.m.

Editor-in-chief, Insights on Canadian Society, Statistics Canada

Sébastien Larochelle-Côté

I'll answer that, and I'm going to switch languages.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

We have interpretation in case you need it.

10:35 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Let him speak in French, Madam Chair.

I'm just kidding.

10:35 a.m.

Editor-in-chief, Insights on Canadian Society, Statistics Canada

Sébastien Larochelle-Côté

Basically, women's life expectancy has gone up. That said, the life expectancy of men has risen more quickly. In other words, the life expectancy gender gap is shrinking. Men are living longer than before. That explains why senior men are more likely to be in a relationship and fewer women are widowed. Women are more likely to be widowed than men, but the gap isn't as wide as it used to be.

10:35 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

What do you attribute that to?

10:35 a.m.

Editor-in-chief, Insights on Canadian Society, Statistics Canada

Sébastien Larochelle-Côté

The increase in men's life expectancy may be due to a number of factors. A lot of research has been done on the subject, but essentially, numerous changes in men have been noted. The cohort of baby boomers now entering old age had different lifestyles than men in the generations prior. Previously, men didn't work in the same fields or have the same lifestyles as the men of today. That has an impact on health.

10:35 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Could you elaborate on that?

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Actually, we're way over time on this.

We are going to end this panel now. As I said, we have about five minutes of committee business that needs to be done.

We are going to suspend to go in camera. If everybody who can't be in the room while we're in camera could exit quickly, that would be fantastic.

Thank you.

[Proceedings continue in camera]