Evidence of meeting #137 for Status of Women in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was elders.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Anita Pokiak  Board Member, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada
Laura Tamblyn Watts  Chief Public Policy Officer, CARP
Lori Weeks  Associate Professor, School of Nursing, Dalhousie University

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Welcome to the 137th meeting of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. Today, we'll continue our study on the challenges faced by senior women with a focus on the factors contributing to their poverty and vulnerability.

I am pleased to welcome, from CARP, Laura Tamblyn Watts, who is the Chief Public Policy Officer.

From Dalhousie University, we welcome Lori Weeks, Associate Professor, School of Nursing. She's here by video conference. I would just note that we're having a little difficulty with that. Lori, we're going to do our very best to make sure that we stay connected and that the questions are answered, but if there are any problems, we may lose you.

From Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada, we have Anita Pokiak, Board Member.

Since both Laura and Lori have already given their seven-minute introductions, we'll have Anita give her seven-minute introduction. The rest are just questions and answers today.

Anita, I'm turning the floor over to you for seven minutes.

April 9th, 2019 / 9:45 a.m.

Anita Pokiak Board Member, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada

Qujannamiik, Madam Chair.

Ulaakut, members of Parliament, Chair, Co-Chair, guests and staff.

My name is Anita Pokiak, and I'm pleased to be here with you today on behalf of our president, Rebecca Kudloo. I am a member of Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada's board of directors from Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territories, representing the western Arctic. Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada, incorporated in 1984, is the national representative organization of Inuit women.

Our homeland is important to our culture, our way of life. Our population is approximately 65,000, and we mainly live in 51 communities across Inuit Nunangat. Most of our communities are small, isolated and only accessible by plane. Our elders have always played and continue to play an important role demonstrating leadership through their wisdom and knowledge. They are the keepers of our tradition, heritage, culture and language. In our culture, both men and women are recognized as elders.

We must remember that, before the 1940s, we lived out on the land. Beginning in the 1950s, we were forced to permanent settlements with promises of education, health care and housing. By 1970, those born on the land had witnessed the creation of permanent settlements without adequate conditions to ensure our well-being. Our communities continue to face a large gap due to the Government of Canada's ongoing underinvestments. We do not share the same standards of living or access to health and social services, food, housing, employment, education or socio-economic development as most other Canadians. These conditions have a distinct negative impact on our elderly and can lead to circumstances for elder abuse.

For example, because of the severe shortage of housing, extended family often have to rely on elders for housing or other financial assistance. Elders are often the leaseholders of social housing units. They can be taken advantage of by other family members who moved in and cannot contribute to household costs, including rent.

For elders, a home should be a safe environment. Living in the crowded conditions such as three families in a two-bedroom home creates significant stress for all family members. It puts everyone at risk for poor nutrition, disease and family violence, including elder abuse. It can also make it difficult for elders to receive home care services. Social housing policies prohibit retrofitting any accommodation such as ramps to suit wheelchairs.

For elders in the communities with a safe shelter, the few existing services might not be appropriate for older women. Shelters are only intended for short-term stays. When elder women need somewhere to stay long term, there is no second-stage housing available in the Inuit Nunangat.

Inuit who face the highest vulnerability to food insecurity are single mothers and elders who often rely on pension income. Even with access to social assistance, because of the extremely expensive cost of food in the north, many elders can not buy healthy food and simply struggle to have enough to eat.

There are not enough trained Inuit home care service workers to assist our elders. The need to travel for most health care services affects the quality of life for elders and their families. Communities with limited health care services may not have access to the medical technology, equipment and supplies required to meet their needs. The lack of culturally appropriate and safe palliative care in communities is a large gap.

In Nunavut, there are 25 communities with only 44 long-term beds spread between Igloolik, Gjoa Haven, Cambridge Bay, Iqaluit and Arviat. The wait-list is nearly three years.

There are no facilities in Inuit Nunangat for dementia care. As a result, elders are routinely being sent to residential care facilities thousands of kilometres away. Here in Ottawa, there are around 30 Nunavummiut elders at Embassy West Senior Living. In my region, because of the lack of long-term care facilities, our elders are being sent to facilities in Inuvik and Yellowknife, which often have long wait-lists. We should not have to send our elders out of our communities or down south for specialized care. Saying that it is challenging and expensive to provide care for Inuit Nunangat is not an excuse.

Many of our elders who are being sent out of Inuit Nunangat to the south for care are the same elders who experienced colonization and residential schools first-hand, only this time they are being sent away and will never return. First they took our children and now they are taking our elders. Our families and communities are losing our elders. They should not be removed from their families, traditional foods, language, culture and environment. In another 50 years, will there be another payout and an apology for this? This is not reconciliation.

Inuit women are the main providers of care for family members, including elders. The federal government must take leadership in consultation with Inuit women to develop a solution to provide for dignity and better quality of life for our elders. This requires a dual investment, both in facilities that incorporate our way of life and in building capacity within our own communities so that we can take of our elders.

Thank you for listening.

Qujannamiik.

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you very much, Anita.

We're going to start off with our first round of questions.

I'm going to turn the floor over to Eva. You have seven minutes.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I want to thank the witnesses for being here today.

Ms. Pokiak, you said that elder women were the ones who took care of the family. You also said that health care was neglected in the north because of the remoteness and the living conditions of elder women.

Could you tell us about this? How does the remoteness of Inuit communities affect elder Inuit women?

9:50 a.m.

Board Member, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada

Anita Pokiak

I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with interpretation. If you don't mind, could you just repeat that for me, please?

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Okay.

You talked about the poor living conditions of elder Inuit women. I want you to elaborate on this and to tell us how the remoteness of Inuit communities affects elder Inuit women.

9:50 a.m.

Board Member, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada

Anita Pokiak

Yes, the hardest is that, number one, Inuit women look after their own families, their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren. They are in overcrowded homes. The other part is that when our elders have to be placed away from home, they are thousands of miles away, and people don't have the financial means to go and visit people who are placed down here in Ottawa, for instance, because of the financial cost.

I hope I answered your question.

9:55 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Yes.

The work of your organization, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada, revolves around three top priorities. You spoke about improving social and economic development, improving health outcomes and preventing violence.

Could you elaborate on the relationship between health, social and economic development, and the prevention of violence against elder Inuit women?

9:55 a.m.

Board Member, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada

Anita Pokiak

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly on that, but I will try my best.

Pauktuutit does a lot of work all across Inuit Nunangat regarding the three subjects you just mentioned. We have a board member from each region. They all work very hard on those three subjects.

9:55 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Ms. Tamblyn Watts, the “Advocating for Canadians as We Age: 2018-19 Impact Report” published by your association, the CARP, contains some of the main concerns of Canada's seniors. It also provides information on what Canadian seniors are experiencing.

Could you summarize some of your report's findings?

9:55 a.m.

Laura Tamblyn Watts Chief Public Policy Officer, CARP

What we know is that older women are under-studied as a cohort, so in many of the studies we bring in demography only in a way of weighing out different aspects, but not the experiences of women themselves. I commend to you the research report, which we support, by the Canadian Centre for Elder Law, which I know presented to you earlier.

When you look at the experiences of older women, you see they are often experiences, as my colleague has mentioned, of poverty, abuse and challenges with family caregiving with the multi-levels of marginalization they experience. There are very few studies done on the experiences of older women, perhaps with the exception of some of the work by Dr. Lynn McDonald. CARP has been calling for the experiences of older women to be studied much more.

9:55 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

You created a platform. How did you design it? What measures affecting seniors did you use to create it?

9:55 a.m.

Chief Public Policy Officer, CARP

Laura Tamblyn Watts

Our platform is called "The Faces of Canada's Seniors: Making Canada the best place to age", which you see here, and it has five key pillars: financial security; abuse prevention; caregiving and housing support, and those are together for so many of the reasons that my colleague was mentioning; exceptional health care; and social inclusion.

The development of that platform is a combination of review of the literature and consultation with key experts, but also consultation with the experiences of our more than 320,000 CARP members across this country. We conducted interviews and both qualitative and quantitative surveys, and we were able to make sure that we could reach into the experiences of a pan-Canadian approach to older adults. Our policy platform was developed with a number of different methods.

9:55 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Does your platform include gender-specific measures? Have you shed light on this aspect?

9:55 a.m.

Chief Public Policy Officer, CARP

Laura Tamblyn Watts

The platform itself is more of policy platform, so it makes key asks of different levels of government. Some of those key asks are specific to gender or sex.

In particular, we call out for changes to the ways that we calculate things like GIS and OAS for older women. We would make changes and support a provision parallel to child-rearing benefits for all years of full-time caregiving as a very specific request. We also call out for specific measures to reduce domestic violence in later life, which is a prevalent form of abuse across the life course. It's a form of both elder abuse and domestic violence, which particularly affects older women. We are calling out and we are tracking the experiences of women as we expand our platform right now.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

We know that seniors in Canada face many issues. I want you to share the two main recommendations that you would like the federal government to implement.

10 a.m.

Chief Public Policy Officer, CARP

Laura Tamblyn Watts

Without question, they are financial security and abuse prevention.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Eva Nassif Liberal Vimy, QC

Madam Pokiak, can you please tell me your top two priorities in recommendations for the federal government, for Inuit seniors?

10 a.m.

Board Member, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada

Anita Pokiak

Okay. For that one, our priorities would be to have facilities in Inuit Nunangat instead of sending our elders away from the community, and also financial assistance.

Thank you.

10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you very much.

We're now going to turn the floor over to Rachael Harder for seven minutes.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thanks so much for joining us.

My first question is for Ms. Pokiak.

Thank you for sharing testimony with us with regard to the experience of Inuit women. My question for you is with regard to respect for tradition and culture.

We had another witness who talked about the importance of women being able to hold their autonomy, their independence, their will, their strength, their power and their importance without being isolated, to be honoured and respected within their communities and to be given a place of importance, value, worth, dignity and respect.

In Inuit culture, I would imagine that some of these things would stand true or be important as well. I'm wondering if you can comment on that.

10 a.m.

Board Member, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada

Anita Pokiak

That is something else that we are losing in our culture, with other stuff. It's language and respect of not only Inuit women, but of family as a whole. Elders are our teachers for the younger generation. Removing our elders from their environment, their community, their traditions and culture and sending them into a very different culture down south is, to me, taking respect away from our elders.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Would you mind commenting a bit more on the statement “elders are our teachers”? I think what you're pointing to, if I may, is the important role that these women have to play in the lives of the rising generation—their children and their grandchildren. I'm wondering if you can share some observations with regard to how these women play an impactful role in the lives of the younger people in their communities.

10 a.m.

Board Member, Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada

Anita Pokiak

When I was speaking earlier regarding our elderly women being our teachers, it is in everything from child-rearing to teaching children how to respect, how to live our traditional life, how to do our clothing and how to teach respect for other cultures. It begins at home, and it's really sad that we can't.... Our elders are our teachers. They go into the schools and are a part of the education. Our elders being moved away is taking that away from the Inuit culture as well.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thank you.

Another line that you used is that it begins at home. Can you talk about the important role that these women play within the home life of those in their community, particularly their families, but perhaps the families of others as well?