Evidence of meeting #2 for Status of Women in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was terms.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nancy Gardiner  Assistant Deputy Minister, Department for Women and Gender Equality
Lisa Smylie  Director General, Communications and Public Affairs Branch, Research, Results and Delivery Branch, Department for Women and Gender Equality
Kim Gauvin  Director, Women's Program and Regional Operations Directorate, Department for Women and Gender Equality
Danielle Bélanger  Director General, Gender Based Violence Policy, Department for Women and Gender Equality

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Good morning, everyone.

If everyone would take their seats, we'll start our first meeting on WAGE, women and gender equality.

Today I'm pleased to have four of the individuals coming from the Department for Women and Gender Equality. I would like to welcome Nancy Gardiner, assistant deputy minister; Lisa Smylie, director general, communications and public affairs branch, research, results and delivery branch—I don't know how you get that on your business card; Danielle Bélanger, director general, gender-based violence policy; and Kim Gauvin, director of women's program and regional operations directorate.

They have asked for 15 to 20 minutes. We're going to allow them to give us this overview for 15 to 20 minutes, and then we'll take questions from there.

I will pass the floor over to you.

11 a.m.

Nancy Gardiner Assistant Deputy Minister, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Thank you, Madam Chair.

We're very happy to be here this morning to have this opportunity to present the department's overview, mandate and priorities. As the chair said, we asked for a little longer because there's a lot of information to present in the deck, so we will do that quickly. I'm sure everyone has a copy of the information.

The purpose of the presentation today is to go over the history of the department, legislation, the mandate and the vision, some of our roles and responsibilities, the resources we have within the department, and departmental programming. We are here for questions you may have afterwards.

The organization, not as it is today but in a different form, has been in place since 1976. It's been around for a long time. In 2015, the first minister responsible for the status of women was appointed. In December 2018, new legislation marked the creation of the new Department for Women and Gender Equality. That is a very important point in time for the department as well. We're transforming from an agency to a department of the Government of Canada.

Page 4 outlines the legislation in terms of the expanded mandate of the department. There are two key features, and I will read them directly from this slide:

Advancing equality, including social, economic and political equality, with respect to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression (SSOGIE).

Promoting a greater understanding of the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors (e.g., sexual orientation, race national/ethnic origin, Indigenous origin, socioeconomic condition, place of residence, and disability).

This is a very important piece of the legislation. A couple of pieces that complement that are in the Canadian Gender Budgeting Act. The legislation also clarifies the department's role around gender-based analysis which promotes an intersectional lens as well.

Page 5 refers to the mandate. It definitely mimics the legislation we've had presented in that year. More important is the vision. The vision of the department shows a Canada where people of all genders, including women, are equal in every way and can achieve their full potential in our country.

Page 6 outlines the roles and responsibilities of the department. Within the Government of Canada, we play three key functions in terms of leadership for gender equality: convener, knowledge broker and capacity builder.

Convener is a really important role. There are many departments that are having roles and responsibilities related to policies or programs related to gender equality. We bring folks together on that. We leverage resources from all different sections as well. We look at international stakeholders and work with international partners in many of the areas related to gender equality.

Regarding knowledge broker, you'll hear a bit more from Lisa later. There's a lot of information that the department has related to research and expertise on gender equality. We also lead the Government of Canada's gender-based analysis. That's the knowledge piece.

The capacity builder is a really key area of work. It's building the capacity of equality-seeking organizations on the ground. That helps capacity work for community organizations. Members would be familiar with that in terms of the roles of members of Parliament.

Departmental resources are on page 7. We're a fairly small department, but mighty. We always say small but mighty. A program budget for us was around $66 million in the 2019-20 fiscal year, which is through grants and contributions. That's the framework we have in place around the Gs and Cs. It's a small operating budget. We have about 300 staff, not only in Ottawa but in the regions across the country to allow us to work directly with community groups focused on gender equality. As you can see, we have the regional areas in Moncton, Montreal, Edmonton and Toronto, and serve the whole country from those four bases.

I'll spend a couple of minutes on the priorities of the department that we have under way this year. Then I'll turn it over to my colleagues.

We're focusing on four main priority areas. One is strategic action, support and investment to address systemic barriers. I just spoke about that around our programning grants and contributions piece. Partnership opportunities allow us to work with the sector as well as other key partners to advance the priorities of the department.

Commemoration is a really important area this year, and we've been working on it related to MMIWG. That is a very key piece of work for us. We also work with other partners around providing expert advice and guidance.

The second priority is the gender-based analysis, which I spoke about earlier, gender-based analysis plus, working to ensure there's a comprehensive integration of gender-based analysis throughout the policy, legislative, program development and evaluation cycle within the government. Also, we support finance in terms of the Canadian Gender Budgeting Act.

The third priority is looking at preventing and addressing gender-based violence. A key area that we're working on here, which is the federal response, is supporting a gender-based violence strategy within Canada. As we mentioned, Danielle is here, and she supports that initiative within the department.

The last piece is around strategic engagement throughout all of our partners as well as the private sector.

That was a very rapid overview of the department in all of its areas.

I'll turn it over to Lisa now. I think this is an important part of the presentation that this group would appreciate. It is really focusing on research.

11:05 a.m.

Lisa Smylie Director General, Communications and Public Affairs Branch, Research, Results and Delivery Branch, Department for Women and Gender Equality

I get to answer the question everybody always has: What is the current state of gender equality in Canada?

Prior to budget 2018, we had a GBA+ action plan, but there was something missing. What was missing was a framework for guiding us in our action on gender equality, what our priorities were, where we were heading and how we would know we got there.

In budget 2018 we released the gender results framework. This framework comprises six pillars, six key areas of action, if you will. Within those areas of action, we have objectives and some indicators that we're paying attention to in terms of monitoring our progress on gender equality. It's with that framework that I'll walk you through what the current state of gender equality is in Canada.

Starting on page 12 with education and skills development, in Canada, boys are less likely than girls to complete high school. Here's why a GBA+ and an intersectional lens is important. When you drill down and take a look at indigenous peoples in Canada, you see the story is much different. Indigenous women have lower high school completion rates than non-indigenous women. When you take a look at indigenous men, you see it's even lower. When we take a look at Inuit men in Canada, we see they have the lowest high school completion rate, at 55%.

Women are under-represented in some fields of study and overrepresented in others. They're under-represented in sciences, technology, engineering and math. They're overrepresented in education, business and health.

When we take a look at economic participation and prosperity, we see we've increased labour force participation rates of women in Canada, but they're still lower than men's rates.

When we take a look at one key indicator of economic prosperity, the gender wage gap, we see that we have a gender wage gap of 12¢. We see women make 88¢ for every dollar men make, when we take a look at hourly wages.

StatsCan just released this week some new data on this. When we take a look at annual income, we see that it's even worse. It's 70¢, and so there's a 30¢ wage gap.

You also see a different wage gap when you take a look at fields, occupational segregation. We have the largest wage gap in the natural resources and agriculture sector. Women make 43¢ for every dollar men make.

Second in line is trades and transport, the male-dominated fields. We have the smallest wage gap in the women-dominated fields, health and business.

In terms of the wage gap, I note there are a lot of things driving it, such as gender norms around unpaid work and interruptions in the labour force for women in terms of maternity leave. We sometimes call that the motherhood penalty. We also know that women are more likely than men to work part time, and in temporary or lower-paying jobs.

When we take a look at leadership and democratic participation, we see that in 2018 women accounted for 48% of employment, but only 33% of those who were employed were in senior management positions. Women account for only 10% of C-suite executives at Canada's 100 largest publicly traded corporations.

When we take a look at GIC appointments, we see we're almost at parity, at 49%.

When we take a look at corporate board memberships, we see that overall in Canada, women make up 18% of director seats. That's a slight increase from 2016. When we take a look at the top 500 companies in Canada, we see that women account for a bit more, 25%, and for the first time since 2001, at least 10% of all board directors in every single sector were women.

I'll move on to gender-based violence and access to justice. Women are overrepresented as victims of police-reported intimate partner violence, accounting for 80% of victims in 2017. When we take a look at homicide by an intimate partner, again women account for 80% of victims. When we look at sexual assault, only 5% of sexual assault reports come to the attention of police. Indigenous women are three times more likely than non-indigenous women to experience sexual assault, and though they make up approximately 4% of the population, account for 11% of all missing women and 16% of homicides in Canada. Those who identify as lesbian, gay or bisexual are twice as likely to experience violent victimization in Canada than those who identify as heterosexual.

With regard to poverty reduction, health and well-being, the poverty rate is similar between men and women, but again, this is why GBA+ is so important. When you look at single mothers, single fathers, recent immigrants, indigenous peoples and two-spirit and transgender youth, they're much more represented among those who are living in poverty. It's the same thing for core housing need, where those groups are overrepresented. When we look at health, men and boys are three times more likely than women to die by suicide. However, women are three times more likely to attempt suicide. This comes down to the choice of method of suicide. Men tend to choose methods that are much more certain.

On gender equality around the world, women's rights organizations are the most significant factor in influencing systemic changes and policy changes toward gender equality, but only 0.5% of the total aid earmarked for OECD gender-specific programming went to women's rights organizations in 2014. When we look at parliamentarians globally, we see an improvement between 1997 and 2019, from 12% to 24%. Women make up more than two-thirds of the world's illiterate population. In conflict zones, girls are 2.5 times more likely to be out of school than boys. When we look at gender-based violence globally, one in three women worldwide are estimated to have experienced physical or sexual intimate partner violence. At least 200 million women and girls worldwide have been subjected to female genital mutilation.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you very much. We really appreciate that.

Are there any other comments before we take questions?

11:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Nancy Gardiner

No, go ahead.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Excellent.

We will start our first round of questioning. I recognize that we do have some new members. I would just give a reminder that every member has six minutes.

We'll start with the Conservatives and then go to the Liberals, then to the Bloc and then to the NDP before we start round two.

I will pass the floor over to Alice Wong for six minutes.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond Centre, BC

Thank you very much for the presentation.

I have a few questions about the education part. A lot of girls drop out for different reasons. One of the reasons could be cultural. I have an immigrant woman's background. From my previous studies in the community, it seems that internationally and even locally, in our own nation, which is known for working hard to improve the status of women and girls.... Can one of you shed light on that part?

11:15 a.m.

Director General, Communications and Public Affairs Branch, Research, Results and Delivery Branch, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Lisa Smylie

Sure. I'm just pulling up some statistics here, but unfortunately, I don't have any further breakdown in terms of the cultural reasons that women might drop out. However, when we look at visible minority women, they account for 81.8% of the visible minority population who complete high school. The 81.8% means that just under 20% of visible minority women are dropping out of high school.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond Centre, BC

My other question is about care work. There's a reason why women's lives are probably affected in terms of work. The caregivers looking after those who need it, aging parents, sick kids and so on, are mostly women. They're the unpaid family caregivers. Is there any programming that will be helping these women?

11:15 a.m.

Kim Gauvin Director, Women's Program and Regional Operations Directorate, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Well, we have several programs that support various issues with respect to the employment and the pay gap. The women's program is one program that's been around since the 1970s, and it's a program that looks at systemic issues. That program funds organizations across the country—local, national and regional—to look at some of these barriers. Certainly, that's an issue that comes up in terms of whether it has to do with the types of employment and some of the care issues that you talk about. These are things that are looked at in terms of systemic issues. Typically, the funded programs and projects are really around trying to address barriers that might be impeding women's ability to work, whether to work in a particular sector or to work at all in something more than part time.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond Centre, BC

When I was the minister for seniors, we did a study on how the employers can assist unpaid family caregivers so that they can give flexible hours; they're working from home and also creating a supportive environment. Often, if you take too much time off, chances are your colleagues will have to take up your load, and they will ask, “Hey, why are you absent so often?” I think that, again, is an area we have not been able to look at, to support these unpaid family caregivers. That will also have an economic effect on productivity, because most of these women caregivers—including men, but mostly women—have arrived at a time when, whether they want a promotion, whether they want to change from full time to part time, there would be a loss to productivity, and therefore the economic situation of women...and you know....

That is another area. This is never an easy issue, but I want to throw it out so that we are not limited to certain areas, because it's so complex and it involves so many different ages. Also, seniors age into disability, and many of them are women. In that process, again, it affects our programming. When we give grants and contributions to non-profit organizations, that might be an area we should look at.

This is just my experience. I wanted to share with you and the rest of our colleagues that it is an area we might want to look at. For women, for girls—because I also came from an academic background; I used to be a professor in a college and then a university, a polytechnic—one of the things that we look at will be how we can encourage girls to go into the STEM areas, because again, they grow and they mature and if they do not pick that as one of their career choices, chances are that the wage difference between those areas and the other ones like health services and education, will be even bigger.

Again, I'm throwing that at you just for your programming and your consideration.

Have I used up all of my time?

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

You have 20 seconds, so you're really there.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond Centre, BC

Thank you very much.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Excellent. Thank you very much.

We're going to pass the floor over to Gudie Hutchings.

Gudie, you have six minutes.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Gudie Hutchings Liberal Long Range Mountains, NL

Thank you, Madam Chair.

It's wonderful to see you again, ladies. Thank you for all the work you do on this very, very important file. It's a great department.

You gave us a great overview of the evolution of the status of women from the 1970s, to 2015, to 2017, to 2018.

Where does Canada stand globally? We have our Department of Women and Gender Equality. Are we proud of our record? Should we have done some things earlier? Are we headed down the right path? I know there's a lot more to do, but I'd love to know your comments on where we stand globally.

11:20 a.m.

Director General, Communications and Public Affairs Branch, Research, Results and Delivery Branch, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Lisa Smylie

There are a number of indices globally that we look at in terms of Canada's ranking relative to other countries. I caution you in looking at these indices, because it is relative, so if another country moves up, we move down, even if we've done the same amount of work. When we look at the global indices, we see that Canada is actually doing quite well, and we consistently have high scores in certain areas, like education. We've pretty much closed the gender gap in terms of the indicators that they look at globally.

When we look, for example, at one of the main global indices, the World Economic Forum, we see that Canada placed first in North America and Canada placed 19th overall. It's up 11 places since 2015. When we look at Canada compared to other countries, we see we're doing well.

As you said, there's lots more to be done, particularly in labour force participation and economic prosperity. That's where we tend to not do as well as others globally.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Gudie Hutchings Liberal Long Range Mountains, NL

Are there any other comments, ladies?

The GBA lens we put on everything is incredible. My colleague across the way has a passion for seniors and I have a passion for rural areas. As many of you know, I come from a very large rural riding with many little communities of 200 and 300 people.

You mention rural areas in a few places here, but do we have the resources and do we spend enough time on really seeing the difference between rural and urban? We know that rural women and senior rural women have much different issues than we have in the major urban centres and even in the suburbs of some areas.

I would love your comments on the work we need to do in rural areas.

11:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Nancy Gardiner

It's a really important area, obviously, and we have spoken about it a bit before.

I think the “plus” in the GBA+ lens is the critical part in terms of the intersectionality when you're looking at this. The rurality is definitely one of the key areas. We have done a lot of work now with our partners at Rural Economic Development. We now are closely aligned with that group in ensuring that in whatever initiative is being looked at and presented to cabinet, or presented in terms of program development, we're taking a look at the holistic approach, not only for the gender piece, but also for persons with disabilities and the indigenous lens.

All of those pieces are part of the intersectionality in terms of the analysis. I think particular attention being paid to rurality is something that we're looking at more closely. Even for our folks who work in the regions and the projects we do every single day, a lot of these are not in urban centres. They are in the rural areas of Canada. I think that in that work, even in our small programming budget with our department, we are looking at how those projects impact the everyday lives of women and folks in rural Canada.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Gudie Hutchings Liberal Long Range Mountains, NL

Do you have any other comments, ladies?

11:25 a.m.

Danielle Bélanger Director General, Gender Based Violence Policy, Department for Women and Gender Equality

I just have one comment.

Women and girls living in rural and remote areas do face higher rates of violence. That's certainly something we are addressing under our federal gender-based violence strategy. As Nancy said, we are funding a number of projects in terms of ending and combatting violence in rural areas.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Gudie Hutchings Liberal Long Range Mountains, NL

It's great, because in the time that I have worked with you what I love is there is not a cookie-cutter approach. We know that there's rural and then there's really rural, and there's urban and suburban, and there are different issues.

I would also like your comments on this. You have referenced it here a few times, but in the last Parliament you did some great work on men and boys. I know there's much more to do there. Your comments on that and where we need to go would be appreciated too.

February 25th, 2020 / 11:25 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Nancy Gardiner

You're right. There was a report issued in the summer of last year, I believe, on men and boys, and on the work and things we learned in terms of looking at the engagement sessions around what we need to do related to men and boys. We have a couple of projects that we're focused on, specifically on some of the areas of work.

Danielle pointed out the gender-based violence piece. It's not only about looking at one side. There's definitely a huge role and a piece we need to play around what impact that has for men and boys in terms of a prevention element to that strategy. I think the piece around men and boys and what we learned around that work was that in every element of the work we're doing in terms of women and gender equality, the men and boys piece is really critical, as is ensuring that we're integrating that work in all of the aspects of the priorities that we're working on.

Lisa, do you have any comments?

11:25 a.m.

Director General, Communications and Public Affairs Branch, Research, Results and Delivery Branch, Department for Women and Gender Equality

Lisa Smylie

I would add that engaging men and boys is absolutely critical if we're going to shift the culture, and we have to shift the culture in order to achieve some of these indicators on gender equality.

I'll point out two things that already have come up here. Yes, we need to encourage more girls to enter STEM fields, but we also have to encourage boys to enter health and business in return. The other thing is paid leave. We have to encourage and shift the culture around care work so that more men are taking on care work and shifting the cultural perception that care work is women's work.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Excellent. Thank you very much.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Gudie Hutchings Liberal Long Range Mountains, NL

Thank you, ladies.