Evidence of meeting #43 for Status of Women in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was athletes.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Myriam Da Silva Rondeau  As an Individual
Ciara McCormack  As an Individual
François Lemay  As an Individual
Lorraine Lafrenière  Chief Executive Officer, Coaching Association of Canada

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 43 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on the Status of Women. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted on Monday, October 31, the committee will resume its study of women and girls in sport.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of June 23, 2022. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application.

I would like to make a few comments for the benefit of the witnesses and members. Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. For those participating by video conference, click on the microphone icon to activate your mike. Please mute yourself when you are not speaking. For interpretation for those on Zoom, you have the choice, at the bottom of your screen, of floor, English or French. For those in the room, you can use your earpiece and select the desired channel right there.

All comments should be addressed through the chair. For members in the room, if you wish to speak, please raise your hand. For members on Zoom, please use the “raise hand” function. The clerk and I will manage the speaking order the best we can. We appreciate your patience and understanding in this regard.

In accordance with our routine motion, I am informing the committee that all witnesses have completed the required connection tests in advance of the meeting.

Before we welcome our witnesses, I would like to provide this trigger warning. This will be a difficult study. We will be discussing experiences related to abuse. This may be triggering to our viewers, our members, or our staff who have also had similar experiences. If you feel distressed or you need help, please advise the clerk.

I will let people know that there has been a bit of a change on our agenda. We'll have two panels today. We'll have our first panel now and then a second panel an hour from now.

On our first panel today, we have Myriam Da Silva Rondeau and Ciara McCormack.

We'll be providing you with some flexibility. You'll have five minutes for your opening statements, but watch me; once I start dancing up here, you'll know that the time is coming to an end.

I will now pass the floor over to Myriam.

Myriam, you have the floor for five minutes.

3:40 p.m.

Myriam Da Silva Rondeau As an Individual

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thanks to the Standing Committee on the Status of Women for having us today.

Until very recently, I was an Olympic boxer. I won silver medals at the 2019 Pan-American Games and had 6 podium finishes at the Continental Championships. I have constantly been in the top 10 in all my years on the national team and competed in the 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games, which were carried over to 2021, finishing in ninth place overall.

I was named to the national team in 2011. Despite finishing on the podium in my first international outing, I was welcomed with the following comment: “We can't consider developing you at your age; you're already old.” In June 2019, I received a call from the high-performance director, who told me that, based on my results, I was now eligible to be carded. However, I would have to permanently leave my team and the trainer with whom I had worked for the previous 10 years and relocate. I also had to leave my job immediately and to give him an answer within 48 hours, or else the card would be offered to someone else.

Since I'm a teacher, I negotiated a centralization that would start at the end of the school year, but he told me that I therefore wouldn't receive the full card funding. I knew that wasn't true, but I nevertheless felt pressured and somehow at fault before I even started. I tried to report the situation because that kind of incident occurs very frequently in sports federations. Unfortunately, my complaint was considered inadmissible and always will be under the new Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner, the OSIC.

It was made clear to me from the moment I entered the centre that I had to work first and foremost with the team psychologist, someone I couldn't trust as a result of previous experiences and his close camaraderie with the administrative staff. Since we were required to undergo personality tests every year, I contacted various institutional resources who were there to protect the athletes and reported my concerns. They responded that those concerns were unfounded.

At the 2019 world championships, I witnessed staff members distributing prescription sleeping pills to athletes. The coach, who had a trusted relationship with all the athletes, was replaced by the high-performance director without advance notice or any explanation. The team massage therapist was also required to limit her contact with us. In response, the entire team turned to the institutional resources, and we were once again informed that our concerns were unfounded.

The integrated support team provided the administrative staff with assistance and support in the areas of communications and interpersonal relations. In other words, it wasn't their fault that they were given assistance at the expense of the athletes. That's how the system works, because no one, not even the OSIC, has the necessary authority to issue warnings or impose sanctions.

A few weeks later, our trusted coach was fired without an explanation or advance notice. You can imagine what happened when we then be appealed to the various authorities who were supposed to protect us: our complaints were ruled unfounded.

When athletes say there's no system to protect them, they aren't referring to the number of resources or programs because there are a lot of them. They mean there's no authority to hold people accountable for their actions or to impose consequences, something that's completely nonexistent in the sport system in Canada.

After two full-time years in the centralization process, I began to experience psychological exhaustion and was no longer able to protect myself. I was required, on several occasions, to participate in “test” fights against much bigger and heavier opponents. I expressed and communicated my concerns, but no action was taken.

I suffered a long dissociation episode from April to September 2021 and thus have no memory of what is supposed to be my most memorable experience: my participation in the Tokyo Olympic Games. My only memory is of a video that the new coach posted on social media following my performance. In that video, following my fight, he said that I had not met their expectations, that he felt uncomfortable as a result, that I had not seized the opportunity to win the medal that my country hadn't won in 30 years and that it was extremely embarrassing for him and for the nation.

Despite the complaint I officially filed with various authorities, the coach from the video of course immediately went back to his job without even apologizing to me. I was subsequently isolated from the group during training sessions. After I filed my complaint, the assistant coach and my colleagues harassed me every day for more than a month. I was ultimately forced to leave the centralization process, stripped of my card and prematurely ended my boxing career for obvious mental health reasons.

People in sport now talk about rebuilding the system. However, there can be no rebuilding unless a judicial inquiry is conducted by a third party in order to hold the people who perpetuate abuses and the current sports culture in Canada to account. Adding a system would, once again, be a temporary solution, the latest in a number of such solutions in recent years.

A commission of inquiry into the toxic culture of abuse across Canada is absolutely necessary if there's to be any possibility of building a system that enables Canadians and Canadian sport to rise to a level commensurate with their ability to achieve results and win medals. That's what we all hope for.

I want to thank the members of the committee.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you.

Ciara McCormack, you have the floor now for five minutes.

3:45 p.m.

Ciara McCormack As an Individual

I'm from Vancouver. I'm a long-time professional international soccer player and currently a member of PFA Canada, the first pro soccer player union in Canada.

I'm here today to share my lived experience and call for a judicial inquiry into abuse in sport in Canada.

In February 2019, I published a blog that went viral.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Take your time, Ciara.

3:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Ciara McCormack

It was called “A Horrific Canadian Soccer Story—The Story No One Wants to Listen to But Everyone Needs to Hear”. It told the story of a giant cover-up in Canadian women's soccer—for over a decade—of a now-convicted sex offender.

In 2008, Bob Birarda was the most powerful gatekeeper in Canadian women's soccer, as the head coach above the Vancouver Whitecaps and Canada's under-20 national team. He was also an assistant coach at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. He was fired for sexual misconduct against teenage players after I, and others, had reported his abusive behaviour for over a year. Both the Whitecaps and Canada Soccer covered up Birarda's October 2008 termination, presenting it publicly as a mutual parting of ways, which allowed him to go back and coach teenage girls for another 11 years.

He was suspended from coaching the day after I published my blog in February 2019. My blog detailed how, between 2008 and 2019, I and a small group of my former teammates collectively asked for help to get Birarda off the field over 30 times, to no avail. We went to the police. We wrote a letter to the Whitecaps owner, Greg Kerfoot, and two of his top executives. We plastered the soccer complex Birarda worked out of with a hotline players could call if a coach made them feel uncomfortable. We went to B.C. Soccer with a police report and a victim, and told the story and shared evidence with more members of the Canadian media than I can count. We were gaslit and harmed repeatedly, telling our traumatizing story to people in a system we were told we could trust, but instead was designed to silence us.

On a personal level, during this horrific decade I struggled with depression and suicidal ideation and felt stuck. It was heavy, dark and everything felt hard. I hated returning to my hometown of Vancouver, and I struggled to be around what I once loved the most—the sport of soccer. How does one move on when one knows there's a predator having access to young girls? How does one go about feeling mentally okay, living in a world where leaders are actively allowing this to happen?

When I hit “publish” at 8 a.m. on Monday, February 25, 2019, I was exhausted, terrified and alone. I felt broken from a system that I've since learned was designed to break me, forcing me to choose between my own safety as a whistle-blower and the safety of the teenage players Birarda remained on the field with.

After I posted my blog, it quickly went viral. Soon after, other former Whitecaps and U-20 national team players publicly shared their experiences; and, most importantly, victims of Birarda finally felt safe to come forward.

Last month, Birarda was sentenced to two years in prison for sexual crimes against four former teenage players over a 20-year period. The last victim was from 2008, the year he was fired from both the Whitecaps and Canada Soccer.

Considering the insanity, lengths and harms of what we had to go through to get a now-convicted sex offender off the field, the question I continually ask myself is this: How many more Birardas are out there in this flawed system? How many more athletes are still being harmed?

Yet, the worst harm I experienced in the Canadian sports system came after my time on a field with Birarda. Abuse does not happen without enablers, and let me be explicit about our flawed system that covers up and enables abuse, as well as revictimizing athletes who come forward.

A report into the cover-up of Birarda was commissioned by Canada Soccer, and released in September 2022. Victor Montagliani and Peter Montopoli will both play a leading role in the taxpayer-funded FIFA World Cup that is coming to Canada in 2026 in their roles as the vice-president of FIFA and the COO of the 2026 FIFA World Cup Canada, respectively. Both were named in that September 2022 report as being directly involved in the cover-up that allowed a now-convicted sex offender to have access to teenage girls for a decade. People like this have no place in sport, and we need mechanisms to remove them. What kind of message does it send to be rewarded leaders of a taxpayer-funded sport, while simultaneously covering up child abuse?

On the financial side, a recently discovered entity called Canadian Soccer Business as well as the Vancouver Whitecaps, separately, have leveraged what should be a public asset in Canada Soccer for the financial benefit of their private businesses. These inappropriate, harmful financial relationships, fostered with no oversight to the detriment of players across the country on and off the field, continue to this day.

Andrea Neil, a long-time former player and coach with Canada's women’s national team, has also been a whistle-blower on these same issues against Canada Soccer for years, and has valuable information to share.

It is also important to address an entire industry that has been built off the back of a distorted moral compass synonymous with the current state of Canadian sport, where groups, like wolves in sheep’s clothing, lie. Examples include an Ottawa-based for-profit called ITP and a Toronto-based for-profit named Sport Law. People within both of these groups have presented themselves as a safe haven for Canadian sport abuse victims, not disclosing that they have business relationships with the very institutions that are causing these same athletes harm.

Let me use Sport Law as an example. Shortly after I published my blog in 2019, I was approached by a woman, Dina Bell-Laroche, who presented herself as someone passionate about women's issues in Canadian sport. I trusted and shared with her private details of our story. She did not tell me at any point that the company of which she was a partner, Sport Law, had relationships with the organizations that had harmed us. I would realize this violating conflict months later, when her group was hired to do an “independent” investigation for the Vancouver Whitecaps into our case. I say “independent” in quotation marks to highlight another normalized lie in our current system. An investigation is not independent if it is paid for by the very institution that has something to lose with negative findings.

I learned later in 2019 that Sport Law was also Ontario Soccer's legal counsel while running Canada Soccer's whistle-blower hotline. You heard me right: In the aftermath of the cover-up of Birarda, Canada Soccer was telling soccer athletes that if they'd experienced abuse, a safe place to call was a hotline run by Sport Law, a group that was being paid to protect the legal interests of the largest PSO under Canada Soccer.

What is clear to me in my lived experience in the Canadian sport abuse space is that we have lost touch with what is right and what is wrong. Let me say it clearly here today to those involved with ITP, Sport Law and other groups engaging in the above behaviour: It is not okay to present yourself to vulnerable abused athletes as a safe place to share information only to weaponize that information for the benefit of your businesses. It is a horrendous revictimization that far too many of us have faced, and this kind of unethical conflict-of-interest behaviour is one of many reasons why trust has been completely broken in the current Canadian sport system.

I am here today to say that enough is enough. The problem is not single “bad apple” coaches. It is a system that empowers abusers, harms and silences victims with no ability to safely report outside of the system, and offers no consequence to sport leaders who enable abuse. If we are serious about eradicating abuse, then we have to start treating the sport crisis as the human rights crisis it is and implement change to make accountability, transparency, integrity and basic human rights the heart of our system.

Systemic change means shining a light into the financial relationships that preserve power and uncovering and dismantling these relationships and systems that protect Canadian sport institutions at the expense of athletes' lives. Groups like OSIC are not the answer, as they are riddled with the same conflicts of interest and people described earlier. Only a judicial inquiry into abuse in Canadian sport, with a broad scope, will shine a necessary light on the harm of the past while rebuilding trust for a better future.

As I said in the closing lines of my 2019 blog, which sadly still remains true today, “what we experienced, and where we are now, is still so far from good enough.”

Thank you.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you very much to both of you for bringing forward your opening comments.

What we'll be doing now is going from party to party and asking our questions.

We'll be starting with the six-minute round. We're starting with Dominique Vien.

Go ahead, Dominique. You have the floor for six minutes.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Ladies, thank you both for appearing this afternoon.

I'm quite moved. What we've just heard is not very glorious. It undermines our pride and trust in the organizations that are supposed to have a good reputation and to promote excellence and the desire to exceed one's limits.

Does what you've described to us represent only the tip of the iceberg?

3:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Myriam Da Silva Rondeau

Yes.

Cases like mine still occur across the country today. Only yesterday I heard of some new athletes just back from the Olympic Games who are finding it hard to get carded.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

Ms. McCormack, would you like to add a comment on this rampant situation on our sports teams?

Does what we've heard so far represent only the tip of the iceberg?

3:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Ciara McCormack

I echo what Myriam says. I've spoken to so many different athletes across different sports throughout this entire thing, and I can say absolutely that across sports there are so many broken people from our Canadian sport system. This truly is.... You could even line up just the people I've spoken to over the last year since I published my blog and we would be here for days listening to stories.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

Ms. Da Silva Rondeau, who do you think has an interest in this system, as corrupt as you describe it, being in place? Who benefits from it? Why the silence around it? Why do these people protect each other? Why are people's heads in the sand?

One witness told us last week that we were protecting a brand.

4 p.m.

As an Individual

Myriam Da Silva Rondeau

This system benefits the people in place who seek power. It shouldn't be forgotten that the people in place aren't interested in sport. They're only interested in power. The current system feeds this type of power. It doesn't benefit sport, the athletes or our international representation in any way. It only benefits the people in place who seek power. Sport is just an excuse.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

What can these people derive from enduring, causing or concealing situations like the ones you've described?

4 p.m.

As an Individual

Myriam Da Silva Rondeau

The only benefit they derive is power, the impression that they control the sport. Sport inspires pride. It's something big. When you control it, I think you derive a certain satisfaction from that.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

Ms. McCormack, how are you today?

4 p.m.

As an Individual

Ciara McCormack

How am I? I'm grateful to be here. It's been a very long journey, obviously. This has been going on for us since 2007, so, yes, I'm very grateful.

It feels as if people who can do something about it are finally listening. It has been a very long, dark, hard road and it has to change. That's why I personally flew across the country and put myself in a very vulnerable situation: to try to put a face on the harm. I have been harmed. My friends have been harmed, and it's not just what we experienced as athletes. It's the aftermath—what we had to go through in trying to report a literal sex offender.

I think that's the biggest message, from a mental health perspective. Before I wrote the blog, until after I wrote the blog, I was an absolute mess for those 10 years. I didn't understand what the harm was, but now I realize it's the trauma of being gaslit for 10 years—reporting children in danger, with nobody listening, and thinking it was a system that actually cared about me, as a person, and about children.

Since I wrote the blog and connected with other people like Myriam.... You feel isolated. You're the problem and troublemaker. You're by yourself. I think I just feel validated and heard. Even in this awful community, we are now among athletes who have experienced the same thing.

I feel a lot better, despite looking like this, right now.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

Is my time up, Madam Chair?

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Yes, you're done.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

My colleagues will have more good questions.

Thank you very much.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Thank you very much.

As I said, take your time, everybody. We're getting through this.

Thank you so much for flying across the country. It does matter, because it's going to make our study much stronger. Thank you so much for doing so.

I'm now going to pass it over to Jenna Sudds for six minutes.

Go ahead, Jenna.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Jenna Sudds Liberal Kanata—Carleton, ON

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Thanks to both of you for being here and sharing your stories, which are so important for us to hear and learn from.

My first question, for both of you—if you'd like to answer it—is, what do you believe we should be exploring and putting in place to better protect athletes like you? I know it's a big question.

4 p.m.

As an Individual

Myriam Da Silva Rondeau

Before anything's put in place, we have to look at what's been done. Starting with this judicial inquiry, we can begin considering what should be put in place. I don't think we can answer that question until we've looked at what's been done and cleaned up the world of sport in Canada.

4:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Ciara McCormack

I would add that I completely agree with Myriam, and I think also what's been particularly striking through all of this is just how, as athletes, we have no resources. We're up against NSOs. They have money. They have power. They have control. As athletes, even coming forward, there's no support. Any time in society that you have a group that has unfettered access to power, they know they're going to have no opposition, like Myriam said earlier. It attracts a certain personality.

Again, I completely agree with her that we have to have a judicial inquiry to understand the full scope of what has happened. Then I think, from there, something needs to be put in place that is actually outside of the sports system and is completely focused on the athletes and their rights, just on a logical level to have that balance that is completely non-existent right now.

4:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Myriam Da Silva Rondeau

Allow me to add to that.

As I said in my testimony, when we say resources, we don't mean groups or systems, but rather power and money, which the federations and sport in Canada have at their disposal, unlike the athletes. No new system funded by sport in Canada will help us build anything better.