Evidence of meeting #69 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was union.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Terrance Oakey  President, Merit Canada
Walter Pamic  Representative, Power-Tek Electrical Services Inc., Merit Canada
Jocelyn Dumais  President, Linden Concrete Forming

5:10 p.m.

Representative, Power-Tek Electrical Services Inc., Merit Canada

Walter Pamic

I think that we—

Oh, sorry.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Just very briefly. He was out of time.

5:10 p.m.

Representative, Power-Tek Electrical Services Inc., Merit Canada

Walter Pamic

Whether you're an open-shop contractor or a closed-shop contractor on any project today, you have a defined scope of work that you have to follow. You have qualified people to do that work. You provide bid bonds and payment material bonds in order to ensure successful completion of that job, again, regardless of what your stripe is.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Mr. Poilievre, for five minutes.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Can you describe how it is that the City of Hamilton became a jurisdiction that bans union-free businesses from competing for infrastructure work?

5:10 p.m.

Representative, Power-Tek Electrical Services Inc., Merit Canada

Walter Pamic

Pierre, I think I can, and Terrance can help me if I run into a problem here.

It's no different from what's happening with Kitchener-Waterloo right now. The Province of Ontario brought in card-based certification, which basically requires that if they have 55%-plus of the employees doing work on the day that the application for certification is filed, that organization becomes unionized.

What happened in Hamilton was that four carpenters working on a weekend put in an application for certification that wasn't dealt with in the specific allotted amount of time, which was 48 hours or so. Therefore, they missed their window and the entire city became unionized.

This is exactly what's happening in Kitchener-Waterloo right now—

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Wait a second here. Four workers signed a card, and that caused the entire construction workforce to become unionized?

5:10 p.m.

Representative, Power-Tek Electrical Services Inc., Merit Canada

Walter Pamic

That's correct.

There are many examples of this happening right across the province of Ontario with companies, and we are seeing it with municipalities now.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Wait a second. I'm familiar with card check, where you go around and collect signatures and the union takes over once 50% of the workers have signed.

5:10 p.m.

Representative, Power-Tek Electrical Services Inc., Merit Canada

Walter Pamic

Once 50% are signed, they can have a vote. If they have 55% of the employees who have signed cards on the date that the application is filed, then it's automatic card-based certification.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

There were only four people working that day—

5:10 p.m.

Representative, Power-Tek Electrical Services Inc., Merit Canada

Walter Pamic

—on a Saturday.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

—and it only required three of them to sign.

5:10 p.m.

Representative, Power-Tek Electrical Services Inc., Merit Canada

Walter Pamic

That is correct.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

And the entire workforce became—

5:10 p.m.

President, Merit Canada

Terrance Oakey

Unionized.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

—unionized.

5:10 p.m.

President, Merit Canada

Terrance Oakey

We have that right now. A friend of mine in Ottawa had two employees who worked on a Saturday and signed cards while his other 16 employees were at home on that day.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Now this is where the infrastructure piece comes in.

How many contractors were then banned from submitting bids to the City of Hamilton for infrastructure projects as a result of this four-person certification?

5:15 p.m.

President, Merit Canada

Terrance Oakey

Mr. Poilievre, it depends on the contract, as not every contractor is qualified to bid on every contract.

There's an example in the City of Hamilton report, which I'll table with the committee, where 94% of the contractors were not able to bid. Of 260 contractors, only 17 had the proper required relationship with the carpenters union. Therefore, 94% of the eligible contractors in every other way were banned from bidding.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Before the weekend, there were 260 contractors competing for work—

5:15 p.m.

President, Merit Canada

Terrance Oakey

It was 270.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

—and after this four-person certification, all of a sudden, only 17 companies could compete for work.

5:15 p.m.

President, Merit Canada

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

So 94% of the competition was banned.

At the time, did City of Hamilton officials express any concern about the cost implications of that?