Evidence of meeting #114 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was airports.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Debbie Zimmerman  Board Member, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority
Stan Korosec  Director, Canadian Government Relations, Ambassador Bridge, Detroit International Bridge Company
Nick McGrath  Councillor, Town of Labrador City
David Tilson  Dufferin—Caledon, CPC
Daniel-Robert Gooch  President, Canadian Airports Council
Chris Straw  President, Gabriolans Against Freighter Anchorages Society
Ken Veldman  Director, Public Affairs, Prince Rupert Port Authority

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

I'm calling the meeting to order of the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2).

We are continuing to do a study of the Canadian transportation and logistics strategy. Welcome to everyone this morning, and to our witnesses.

We have from the Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority, Debbie Zimmerman, a board member. From the Detroit International Bridge Company, we have Stan Korosec, Director, Canadian government relations, Ambassador Bridge, and from the town of Labrador City, we have Nick McGrath, a councillor.

Thank you very much.

Ms. Zimmerman, would you like to go first, please?

8:45 a.m.

Debbie Zimmerman Board Member, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority

Thank you very much.

Good morning to everyone, and thank you for inviting me to speak with you today.

I am the CEO of the Grape Growers of Ontario and also sit on the board of directors for the Buffalo and Fort Erie Peace Bridge Authority, which owns and operates the Peace Bridge and the customs plazas in both Canada and the United States. Previous to these roles I was a regional councillor for the Town of Grimsby, and also served two terms as head of regional government as chair from 1997 to 2003, which actually seems a very long time ago.

The QEW, or the Queen Elizabeth Way, is currently the only trade and tourism corridor through Niagara and serves four international bridges between Canada and the United States: the Peace Bridge, the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge, the Rainbow Bridge and the Whirlpool Bridge. In 2017 the QEW ranked second in Canada in terms of commercial volume and passenger vehicles, with cars totalling almost 10 million crossings and commercial trucks totalling almost two million crossings.

Approximately 85% of all goods traded between the U.S. and Canada moves by land transport modes—trucking or rail—and 54% of all U.S.-Canada trade is transported by truck. The QEW corridor accounts for 37% of that trucking volume into Canada and an estimated $80 billion in two-way trade annually.

The commodity mix on the QEW is much more diverse than other trade corridors due to the Queen Elizabeth Way being a commuter highway as well, and the primary tourism conduit connecting the GTA—the greater Toronto area—with the attractions of Niagara Falls, of course our wineries in the Niagara region, the beaches of Port Colborne, Fort Erie, as well as western New York and the Buffalo region.

In order to relieve this congestion, we—and I—have long been a proponent of a concept called the mid-peninsula trade corridor. It has been discussed for many years. In 2001, the Province of Ontario completed a draft Niagara Peninsula transportation needs assessment to examine the current and future transportation issues, opportunities and alternatives. The assessment concluded that significant additional transportation capacity would be required through the peninsula into the GTA, and would link southern Ontario with the eastern United States, including Boston and Washington.

In Niagara, we are one day's drive to over 44% of what we call the BosNYWash area in the United States. It's the annual trade we do each year that we need to consider as part of this. The 2006 growth plan for the greater Golden Horseshoe indicated that future transportation corridors connecting the Niagara region to the GTA are essential to support the long-term vision of the province.

The majority of trade-related goods between Canada and the U.S. travel by rail and truck with the QEW being the primary route linking Niagara and the GTA. The movement of goods on this trade corridor is expected to grow by 3% to 6% per annum, increasing the strain on this existing highway. The efficiency of the transportation system is critical for international trade through Niagara and to the economic health of these communities, the province and the country. In fact, I can't recall in the last 15 years where we have built a highway in Canada, anywhere. I think it's this lack of transportation that gives us what I think is a disadvantage to the rest of our trading partners.

A trade corridor would not only remove the strain from the QEW and alleviate bottlenecks at the border crossings, but attract new businesses and jobs between Niagara, Hamilton and the GTA. Niagara, as we know, is a key tourist attraction, especially Niagara Falls. I would have to digress to suggest that, being in the wine business, it's our wineries as well. We are also a key agri-tourism sector, including the wine industry, which continues to grow. We're almost strangled by our success.

More importantly, what we have in Niagara are land, rail, air and road opportunities. In fact, the land that surrounds the Welland Canal creates this fluidity. It's part of a land trade corridor, an intermodal hub that creates huge economic opportunity just by the existence of the land base around the canal.

Every year the number of tourists visiting Niagara increases. In fact, according to a recent report, there were 2.4 million visitors to Niagara wineries alone in 2015. In addition to visiting the wineries, the majority of tourists stay at a local hotel or bed and breakfast, and visit the area's restaurants, shops and landmarks, generating $847 million annually in tourism-related economic impact for the province.

The national grape and wine industry contributes over $9 billion annually in economic impact. During a recent round table with the provincial minister of tourism, it was noted by the grape and wine industry stakeholders that infrastructure and transportation congestion continue to be the barriers for success for tourism in Niagara. As a trade and tourism economy, investment in Niagara's highway infrastructure is critical.

One of the things that has struck me as you sit and reflect on your country's growth is that the last time we could actually go out and celebrate was when we had a golden spike for the railway. Quite honestly, I think since that time we have not seen the kind of infrastructure investment we need in new roads, rail and, more importantly, the connection of those for the future. In Niagara we are very blessed to have the Welland Canal.

I hope these comments will be helpful to you in your deliberations for the trade corridors for the future.

Thank you so much.

8:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you, Ms. Zimmerman.

Now we go to Mr. Korosec.

8:50 a.m.

Stan Korosec Director, Canadian Government Relations, Ambassador Bridge, Detroit International Bridge Company

Good morning, Madam Chair, and members of the committee. I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you this morning.

As you know, the Ambassador Bridge is the busiest international border crossing on the Canada-U.S. border. In calendar year 2017, over 4.3 million cars and 2.5 million trucks crossed in both directions. Although that may seem impressive, total traffic at our bridge is down 44% compared with the year 2000.

I'll say a little bit about me. I was born and raised in Windsor, Ontario, and graduated from the University of Windsor with a bachelor of commerce degree. I worked two years as an immigration officer, 18 years with the Ontario Provincial Police, and 10 years as vice-president of operations at the Blue Water Bridge in Sarnia, and the last five years in my current role. You can see that the border and transportation have been a big part of my working life. I have seen and experienced many events that have affected our transportation system and border.

For those watching at home, I will skip to the next page.

I want to bring to you an issue here. As you are aware, in September 2017 we were issued a permit under the International Bridges and Tunnels Act to construct a new six-lane span adjacent to the existing Ambassador Bridge. This approximately $500-million private investment is in addition to about $500 million already spent in preparation for the project.

The permit we received was loaded with 28 conditions. One condition I want to talk about, and I mentioned it in Niagara Falls briefly, we find to be extraordinarily onerous. That condition is that we must gain all the necessary permits to demolish the existing Ambassador Bridge prior to commencing construction on our new bridge. Once the new bridge is open, we must begin demolishing the old bridge within five years.

The condition came as quite a shock to us as this had never been an issue during the entire environmental assessment process or through the IBTA process. In our submission, it was always our plan to rehabilitate the current bridge once the new span was open. In fact, that was reflected in the order in council. It says:

Whereas the Canadian Transit Company proposes that, once the new six-lane international bridge is constructed and open to traffic, the Ambassador Bridge be closed to traffic and used in limited circumstances and for system redundancy....

The next paragraph then states that, once the new span is open to traffic, “the Ambassador Bridge will not be required in order to meet traffic demand or for system redundancy”. The next paragraph goes on, “Whereas a bridge that is not required and is underutilized could create risks, including risks related to safety, security and the environment”.

System redundancy was a major justification for the Gordie Howe international bridge, but now it's being considered a risk. Should an incident shut down any one of the two bridges, including the Gordie Howe bridge, wouldn't it be prudent to have sufficient capacity on a bridge two miles away at this important trade crossing?

Our existing bridge will be connected to the new span. As such, it will be subject to the same safety, security and environmental standards as the new span and the Gordie Howe international bridge.

Additionally, this demolition condition was issued as part of the permit in September 2017. However, in March 2016, the Detroit International Bridge Company received United States Coast Guard approval for the new six-lane span. It came with a condition that the permittee—us—shall comply with stipulations in the memorandum of agreement among the United States Coast Guard, the Michigan State Historic Preservation Officer, the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation and the Detroit International Bridge Company for the purpose of keeping impacts on the historic bridge to a minimum. It further goes on to say the existing Ambassador Bridge will continue to be maintained in accordance with all relevant permits issued by the Coast Guard. DIBC shall maintain the bridge in compliance with the provision of any other law or regulation.

The Coast Guard also based its approval on the Detroit International Bridge Company and Michigan Department of Transportation contract, which governs the maintenance and operation of the existing bridge “for the purposes of keeping the Bridge reasonably fit and safe for public travel and requires DIBC...to inspect the structure in accordance with standards”.

The Coast Guard approval document was provided to Transport Canada as part of the IBTA approval process, and the conditions to maintain the existing bridge were known to Canadian federal officials prior to the issuance of the IBTA permit and the condition to demolish the bridge.

We're ready to proceed with construction. We've invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the Windsor area. This will ensure that this important trade corridor continues to facilitate trade and travel between the United States and Canada, provides redundancy and creates jobs. This demolition condition stands in the way of that. We are asking the Government of Canada to remove this contradictory condition and let us start building infrastructure, instead of tearing down infrastructure.

Thank you very much.

8:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you, Mr. Korosec.

We move on to Mr. McGrath.

8:55 a.m.

Nick McGrath Councillor, Town of Labrador City

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Again, I'd like to thank everyone for the opportunity to come this morning and speak to you.

I'm from Labrador West, and I've been there for 40 years now. I've been in my own private business there for about 25 years. I served as a councillor back in 2009, and in 2011 I went to provincial government where I served as minister of several portfolios, one of them being transportation and works.

I want to speak today about the economy in Labrador West and its relationship and partnership with the Port of Sept-Îles in Quebec. Labrador West is well known for its iron ore production. The Labrador trough runs through most of western Labrador and the northwestern part of Quebec. We have several mines there, the Iron Ore Company of Canada being the largest and producing very high-quality, high-grade iron ore. We have the Wabush Mines, which is presently taken over by Tacora and is in the process of being reopened. Alderon is also another mine that's about to open, and the Quebec Cartier mine. We also have Vale Inco on the north shore of Labrador.

All of these mines are landlocked, all very much inland, and our main source of transportation is by railway and then from the Port of Sept-Îles throughout the world. It's very important to us, as government has in the past made investments in the Port of Sept-Îles, that this port continue to be an investment for the government for the jobs that are created through the Labrador mining, which accumulates to right now probably about 10,000 jobs. The population in all of Labrador, though its mass geography is huge, is only 27,000 people, and about 35% to 40% of those who live in Labrador alone are involved in the mining industry. Then in Quebec there are about another 15,000 who are directly involved in the mining industry.

The iron ore mining is starting to rebound. There certainly was a collapse in the industry in the last five to seven years. It's starting to rebound now with China and India being on the market. They're looking for very high-quality ore, which is what we produce in Labrador West. The grades are the best in North America, actually. It's through the Port of Sept-Îles that we need to make the transportation great there, so I'd appreciate it if you would consider continuing to invest in that port. There's quite a bit of work that's been done in the port in the last few years, but still some to be done.

Thank you very much.

9 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much.

We move on to questioning from the committee, and Mr. Tilson.

9 a.m.

David Tilson Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, the three of you, for coming to brief the committee on your respective issues.

I'd like to ask Mr. Korosec a question with respect to the Gordie Howe bridge, which was announced by Prime Minister Harper and Governor Snyder in 2015. Three years later it's only now just getting under way. The private owner of the Ambassador Bridge has had multiple legal challenges with respect to the bridge and has indeed even publicly appealed to President Trump to revoke a presidential permit that President Obama granted to green-light construction.

Is one of the reasons for the three-year delay the legal proceedings brought on by the private owner of the Ambassador Bridge?

9 a.m.

Director, Canadian Government Relations, Ambassador Bridge, Detroit International Bridge Company

Stan Korosec

I don't think that any of those actions or litigations from my reading of it, and not knowing the inner workings of the Gordie Howe bridge.... From what I read in the press, they had delays in the RFP process. I think there was about a six-month delay that they had announced, so I don't know if any actions that our owners took delayed the process. I think the process itself, like many big projects, had inherent delays in getting the RFP out for the contracts. They started what they call early works anyway on both sides of the border, mainly on the Canadian side, preparing the plaza and everything, so I don't think any actions by our owners delayed that. This has been going on.... I think it was first in about the early 2000s that the whole idea of this second crossing was brought up.

9 a.m.

Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

David Tilson

Do you foresee more obstacles, political or legal, as the construction proceeds with respect to the Gordie Howe bridge?

9 a.m.

Director, Canadian Government Relations, Ambassador Bridge, Detroit International Bridge Company

Stan Korosec

I think there is still what's called a condemnation case on the U.S. side that may be appealed by our owners. I don't know that for sure.

We own property where the Gordie Howe bridge is to land, so there was a condemnation court case filed and I don't know where we are, if that's going to be appealed or not. I couldn't rule it out.

9:05 a.m.

Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

David Tilson

Okay.

I'd like to ask a question to all of the witnesses with respect to this issue that just surfaced yesterday: cannabis.

Some time ago the trucking businesses across the country were concerned about delays at border crossings to the United States over inspections to their vehicles. As I understand it, that was alleviated somewhat by inspections being made off-site, which therefore stopped the delays that were occurring.

Starting with Ms. Zimmerman, what effect in your opinion has Canada's legalization of cannabis had in terms of congestion and wait times for traffic, specifically with truck traffic?

9:05 a.m.

Board Member, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority

Debbie Zimmerman

We're not experiencing any of that at the Peace Bridge. These are very early days and there has been very good—

9:05 a.m.

Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

David Tilson

What do you anticipate, though?

9:05 a.m.

Board Member, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority

Debbie Zimmerman

We are in the very early days. There has been good communication between Canada and the U.S. Obviously this is a commercial corridor, so any impediments would be certainly things that we have taken into consideration. We're not anticipating any issues that will evolve from the cannabis.

We've had good discussions with our U.S. partners and also we're a bridge authority made up of five Canadians and five Americans. It's a compact that was created by Lester Pearson. Quite honestly, it's probably one of the best ways in which to manage a bridge, because you have to get consensus.

The issues we're dealing with, we've had—

9:05 a.m.

Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

David Tilson

There will be no inspections...?

9:05 a.m.

Board Member, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority

Debbie Zimmerman

There are always inspections and we have to do our due diligence and be prudent, but I think the question you asked me was “What is the impact?” and to date there has not been one.

9:05 a.m.

Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

David Tilson

It's just started.

9:05 a.m.

Board Member, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority

Debbie Zimmerman

Exactly, so your question, probably.... I could come back and you could ask me in a year's time, but today—

9:05 a.m.

Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

David Tilson

I assume you are all preparing for that.

9:05 a.m.

Board Member, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority

Debbie Zimmerman

We absolutely are.

9:05 a.m.

Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

David Tilson

Mr. Korosec, do you have any comments on this?

9:05 a.m.

Director, Canadian Government Relations, Ambassador Bridge, Detroit International Bridge Company

Stan Korosec

Yes, from my role in my previous life, I agree with Debbie. It's too early to tell.

We've been in touch with the Ontario Trucking Association and they have put out all kinds of information to their members and they represent thousands and thousands of drivers, and hundreds of companies.

I think it's out there. I think some concerns have probably been overblown, that yesterday the whole world would turn into zombies or something. We haven't seen any impact at the border yet.

9:05 a.m.

Dufferin—Caledon, CPC

David Tilson

No zombies.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you.

I'm sorry, Mr. Tilson, your time is up.

We will move on to Mr. Iacono.