Evidence of meeting #12 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was jobs.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jim Quick  President and Chief Executive Officer, Aerospace Industries Association of Canada
Ronnie Di Bartolo  President and Chief Executive Officer, Premier Aviation Overhaul Center
Yves-Thomas Dorval  President and Chief Executive Officer, Quebec Employers Council
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Bartholomew Chaplin
Jean-Pierre Bastien  Vice-President, Operations, Premier Aviation Québec Inc., Premier Aviation
Kevin Rebeck  President, Manitoba Federation of Labour
Heather Stefanson  Deputy Premier, Government of Manitoba

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much.

Mr. Blaikie, you have six minutes.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Thank you very much.

I want to ask Mr. Quick, in your opinion as a leader in the industry, is it the case...? We heard a little bit about what the C Series jet could mean for the Canadian aerospace industry. Is it your understanding that there is a connection between Air Canada's purchase of the C Series and the passage of Bill C-10 ?

May 9th, 2016 / 4:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aerospace Industries Association of Canada

Jim Quick

I don't know that I can answer that for you. I haven't been told that this is a fact. I have heard that there's a possibility that the C Series may be attached to it in some way. It's the same with the centres of excellence. The sale of the aircraft, and having major carriers such as Air Canada and international leaders, such as Delta, more recently signal that they're prepared to purchase the aircraft sends a very strong message to the global marketplace not only of confidence in the company but of confidence in that particular aircraft.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Thank you for your answer, and thank you for your patience. We went in camera earlier because there was a motion on the floor. I've said in a few different venues that I think the idea of going in camera for what are really substantive motions for the committee is a bad practice. I know that witnesses are often interested to know what the committee is discussing in its deliberations.

I'd like the committee now to consider a motion that the committee suspend its study of Bill C-10 for 12 months, effective at the end of this meeting, and that the committee call on the Government of Canada to work with Air Canada and the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers to develop a business plan for performing Air Canada's maintenance overhaul and repair work in Canada competitively under the existing terms of the Air Canada Public Participation Act.

It's my hope that we won't have to go in camera in order to consider that motion, but I'm prepared to do so if that's the will of the committee.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Mr. Blaikie, as you know, it would require the unanimous consent of the committee to deal with a new motion that was not given 48 hours' notice.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

It's my understanding that motions that pertain directly to the matter being considered by the committee do not require any special dispensation to be considered.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Then we have to refer to the clerk and let him get out his book.

Our apologies, gentlemen.

Please go ahead.

4:15 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Andrew Bartholomew Chaplin

The committee agreed that 48 hours' notice would be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the committee. There is no waiver for its relating directly to the proceedings then under way.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Does Mr. Blaikie have unanimous consent to deal with this motion?

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

If I may, before we proceed to the vote, Madam Chair, there are a few—

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Very quickly, Mr. Blaikie.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

—relevant sections of O'Brien and Bosc that I think would merit being considered by the committee.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

It's not what we have here.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

On page 1,051, it says that:

A motion is needed to submit a proposal to a committee and obtain a decision on it. A motion is moved by a Member to have the committee do something, order its Chair...[etc.]. Where the motion is debatable, moving of the motion triggers a period of debate. If no Member wishes to speak to the motion, the debate ends.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Mr. Blaikie. I appreciate your bringing that to our attention. With all due respect to the clerk, it's his role to ensure that we are following the rules and guidelines adopted by this committee when we started.

Is there unanimous consent for Mr. Blaikie's motion?

4:20 p.m.

An hon. member

No.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

No, there isn't. We're back to our speaking order, then.

Mr. Fraser.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

I'm caught off guard a bit after the procedural hiccup along the way.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

I'd like to challenge the chair on that.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Go right ahead.

Mr. Blaikie is challenging the chair.

All those in favour of upholding the chair—

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Well, is there discussion? Typically, in my experience there's discussion for a challenge of the chair.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

No, there isn't. We don't have time for a discussion, Mr. Blaikie, and I'm not going to let you waste our time when we have witnesses. If you want to have this discussion when we don't have any witnesses, I would entertain it.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

In fairness, Madam Chair, considering that it's the last regular committee meeting before clause-by-clause study of the bill, I think it's appropriate that we address these matters seriously. There will be no other opportunity to bring motions pertaining to this study after this meeting, so I think it's appropriate that it be considered properly.

I also think that to say that any motion brought to a committee meeting without the 48 hours' notice, even when it's directly pertaining to the matter under study, sets a bad precedent, Madam Chair.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Those are our rules, which we adopted at this committee. As of this moment, we are going to continue to function under those rules.

We need to get on with the business of the committee, Mr. Blaikie, and if you're not interested in participating, then I suggest you not participate, but at the moment we have witnesses in front of us—five of them—and we're taking all of their time.

I move that we get on with committee business and continue the work we're doing. I will call the vote.

Shall the chair's ruling be sustained?

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas, 5; nays, 2)

Mr. Fraser, you can continue with your time.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Thank you very much. I will be sharing my time, so I'll try to be efficient.

This is for Premier Aviation. You mentioned that following the Aveos bankruptcy, you actually had some growth. Do you think that's common for other suppliers in the Canadian aerospace and aviation sector?