Evidence of meeting #123 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was actually.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Antonio Natalizio  As an Individual
David Kaiser  Medical Officer, Urban Environment Service and Healthy Lifestyle, Direction de santé publique de Montréal
Pierre Lachapelle  President, Les Pollués de Montréal-Trudeau
Matt Jeneroux  Edmonton Riverbend, CPC
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Marie-France Lafleur
Stephen Fuhr  Kelowna—Lake Country, Lib.
Cedric Paillard  President and Chief Executive Officer, Ottawa Aviation Services
Johanne Domingue  President, Comité antipollution des avions de Longueuil

9:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Antonio Natalizio

There is a situation at Toronto Pearson that may be unique. The airport offers both Air Canada and WestJet a fixed price deal in lieu of landing fees and other fees. This is like a fixed price, all-you-can-eat buffet for the airlines, and they've really been gorging—

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Okay, that's another suggestion we'll take into account.

Dr. Kaiser, go ahead.

9:40 a.m.

Medical Officer, Urban Environment Service and Healthy Lifestyle, Direction de santé publique de Montréal

David Kaiser

I'll give two parts in response. One is from a public health perspective. Our goal is to reduce risk to as close to zero as we can. It was mentioned before that there are many other sources of noise. We have to take all of them into account. The objective should be to reduce exposure if we can. With something like airplanes, we can. We could have no more airplanes; there would be no more exposure. It's not like things that are in the environment that we're obliged to live with. We could make a choice and reduce that exposure to zero. That's my public health perspective; I think it has to be that.

The second part is in terms of the committee. Yes, you need to make recommendations. From your intervention, I get that the issue of noise sensitivity, for example, is important. Some people are more sensitive to noise than others. From a scientific perspective, the studies that have looked at that don't necessarily find that it's a major factor when you take the relationship between noise sources and the impacts on health at population level.

Of course, it's important to consider feasibility and to balance benefits and risks. I think that is where data on airplane movements, noise levels and impacts on the population is super important, so you're not relying on anecdote.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

I would agree with that.

9:45 a.m.

Medical Officer, Urban Environment Service and Healthy Lifestyle, Direction de santé publique de Montréal

David Kaiser

The recommendation that addresses that directly is that if we want to make good choices, we need to have the information necessary to make those choices.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

If I had more time, I'd ask you about the data thing.

Do we have time for a brief comment from the gentleman from Montreal?

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Make it very brief.

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Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Go ahead, sir.

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President, Les Pollués de Montréal-Trudeau

Pierre Lachapelle

I would definitely say the curfew.

I don't think the economy is going to suffer because a bottle of perfume or an article of clothing someone ordered on Amazon gets delivered six or 12 hours later than scheduled. Here's the imbalance, as I see it: public health is being sacrificed for the sake of the economy, which is increasingly invasive. We are all for a strong economy, but not at the expense of public health.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Mr. Lachapelle.

Thank you to all of our witnesses.

Mr. Jeneroux, were you trying to flag me down?

November 29th, 2018 / 9:45 a.m.

Matt Jeneroux Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Yes, Madam Chair. I will be very brief.

We've heard through the grapevine that there is a possibility that the meeting next Thursday with the minister may not be televised. I just wanted to make sure that... It's on his mandate letter; it's not time-sensitive, and we're flexible on the date of the meeting in order for it to be televised. I wanted to let you, as the Chair, know that.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

The clerk has been working extensively to try to see if we can get that.

Your suggestion is that if we can't get that, you'd like to hold that meeting off until we can actually televise it.

9:45 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

It's not ideal, but yes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Okay. The clerk will attempt to do her magic for us.

Mr. Liepert, go ahead.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

I also wanted to ask about where we're at in this particular study, with witnesses and so on.

I think we had asked at some point to have the airlines come before us. Could the clerk give us an update on what we have for witnesses going forward?

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Yes. Go ahead.

9:45 a.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Marie-France Lafleur

It will be December 11 with Air Canada, WestJet and ATAC.

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Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Is that our last meeting?

9:45 a.m.

The Clerk

That would be our last hour of meeting.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

We've had a fair amount of interest, not only from our colleagues, but from members of the general public. We could hold another two meetings in the new year if the committee would like to do that.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

I'm not sure that's necessary. Have you had requests from members for other witnesses? With all due respect, I think we've certainly heard from those who are impacted by it. If we're going to have any extended meetings on this, I would like to hear from people who would actually have some solutions.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Yes.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Do we have requests for other witnesses?

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

We don't right now.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Then I would suggest we stick with our plan.