Evidence of meeting #145 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Claudia Ferland  Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada
Chad Westmacott  Senior Director, Strategic Water Management Team Directorate, Department of Indigenous Services Canada
Nelson Barbosa  Director, Capacity, Infrastructure and Accountability Division, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

May 28th, 2019 / 11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

I now call to order meeting 145 of the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure, and Communities.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we are doing a study and getting an update on the delivery of infrastructure to indigenous communities.

We have some new members joining us today. Welcome to all of you.

On our witness panel, from Indigenous Services Canada, we have Claudia Ferland, director general of the regional infrastructure delivery branch, regional operations sector; Chad Westmacott, senior director of the strategic water management team directorate; and Nelson Barbosa, director of the capacity, infrastructure and accountability division.

Welcome and thank you very much for coming and giving us some information this morning.

I'll turn it over to Ms. Ferland.

11 a.m.

Claudia Ferland Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Madam Chair and honourable members of the committee, for the invitation to discuss the status of infrastructure projects for indigenous communities, including projects financed through the Gas Tax Fund, and the one-time top up announced in budget 2019.

Before we begin, I'd like to acknowledge that we're meeting today on traditional Algonquin territory.

I'd like to take this opportunity to introduce my colleagues from Indigenous Services Canada. I'm joined by Nelson Barbosa, who's in charge of strategic health infrastructure, and Chad Westmacott, who's in charge of water and housing infrastructure.

Since 2014, the Government of Canada has committed to making unprecedented investments in support of indigenous community infrastructure. Approximately $8 billion in committed and proposed funding through Indigenous Services Canada will support indigenous community infrastructure until 2026-27.

Investing in infrastructure is about investing in people and communities. Infrastructure investments help ensure that people have quality housing, safe drinking water, better schools and health centres, as well as spaces and facilities that bring people together as a community.

Since 2016, approximately $3.43 billion has been invested by Indigenous Services Canada and Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada to support 3,979 infrastructure projects on reserves. A total of 2,425 infrastructure projects have been completed. These include 1,267 new homes built and another 2,720 homes renovated to help improve first nation access to safe and secure spaces to live. These constructions and renovations are in addition to the number of homes built and renovated through investments made by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation.

Moreover, 15 new schools have been built and 33 existing schools have been renovated, providing children with better access to local education. Renovation or modernization work is also in progress at many schools.

Clean, safe water is now available in more communities. Between November 2015 and May 9, 2019, 85 long-term drinking water advisories were lifted. We're also on track to meet our commitment to lift all remaining long-term drinking water advisories on public systems on reserves by March 2021.

Of the 207 health-related infrastructure projects, 178 have been completed. These projects are essential to providing effective, sustainable and culturally appropriate health programs and services to first nations communities.

Of the 1,380 other essential infrastructure projects, 942 have been completed. These projects include cultural and recreational facilities on reserves; energy, sustainability and connectivity infrastructure; roads and bridges, structural mitigation measures to reduce the impact of natural disasters and improve fire protection; and solid waste management.

Almost all first nation communities across Canada have received targeted funds from lndigenous Services Canada or Crown-lndigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada for at least one infrastructure project since April 2016, including capacity development projects.

ln terms of the gas tax fund, since 2005 it has provided communities, including first nation communities across Canada, with a permanent, predictable and indexed source of long-term infrastructure funding. Under the gas tax fund, managed by Infrastructure Canada, over $2.2 billion is provided to provinces, territories and municipal associations, which flow this funding to municipalities to support local infrastructure priorities. Budget 2019 included a commitment from the Government of Canada for a one-time $2.2-billion top-up to the federal gas tax fund.

Since 2007, the first nation portion of the gas tax fund is managed by lndigenous Services Canada through the first nation infrastructure fund, which allows for one delivery mechanism and promotes greater financial impact to address first nation infrastructure needs. Providing lndigenous Services Canada with direct access to the gas tax funds under statutory authority was determined to be a simpler, more transparent and accountable way to flow and track the funds. The portion of the gas tax fund dedicated to first nation infrastructure is based on first nation on-reserve population data. The funding is allocated to first nation communities on reserve for priority infrastructure projects such as access to connectivity-related projects, roads and bridges, green energy and other essential infrastructure.

Projects are identified for potential funding using the first nations infrastructure investment plans, .which are submitted annually by first nations and are screened for eligibility and prioritized according to a national priority ranking framework.

Between fiscal years 2014-15 and 2018-19, Indigenous Services Canada allocated $138.8 million of the gas tax fund toward approximately 255 on-reserve infrastructure improvement projects in first nation communities.

In addition, through a one-time top-up from budget 2019, an additional $29.4 million in fiscal year 2018-19 was allocated by Indigenous Services Canada in support of seven infrastructure projects in British Columbia, Manitoba, Quebec and the Atlantic region. Through its agreement with provinces and territories, Infrastructure Canada also provides annual gas tax funding to other indigenous communities, such as those designated under the respective provincial and territorial agreements. These communities will also benefit from the top-up announced in 2019.

In terms of transparency and results, a robust reporting process has been implemented allowing both Indigenous Services Canada and Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada to provide regular updates on the overall portfolio of infrastructure projects in first nation communities. This includes an infrastructure investment interactive map, which has been available on the Indigenous Services Canada website since June 2018 and is updated quarterly.

It is also important to know that in recognition of the nation-to-nation relationship, first nation communities are ultimately responsible for delivering infrastructure projects in their communities.

These investments are helping to meet infrastructure needs of first nation communities and will lay the foundation of a long-term investment strategy with first nation community infrastructure to build healthy, safe and prosperous communities.

Thank you for inviting us to speak with you today.

We would be pleased to answer your questions.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Ms. Ferland.

We will go to Mr. Doherty for six minutes.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Ms. Ferland, in your statement you said that 3,979 infrastructure projects on reserve have been supported through funding of $3.43 billion. A total of 2,425 infrastructure projects have been completed.

Where is this information listed?

11:05 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

Madam Chair, the information is listed on the website. As I said, we have a very detailed infrastructure map on the Indigenous Services Canada website.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Does it break down the 1,267 new homes built, the 2,720 homes renovated, the 15 schools and what have you?

11:05 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

On the interactive map, we have broken it down by all asset categories by all first nations. One could do a search by whichever criterion one pleased. If you wanted to know how many homes, all the information—

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Is this information that you might be able to provide to the committee in a more concise document?

11:05 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

Absolutely.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Could you table it by the end of the day Thursday?

11:05 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

Absolutely.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thank you.

Ms. Ferland, I have listened intently to your report, but there's conflicting information in the document that you have. Indigenous communities receive funds directly through INAC and Indigenous Services, but do they also receive gas tax funds from Infrastructure Canada?

Are there two streams of gas tax funds going to first nations?

11:05 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

Thank you for your question.

Indigenous Services Canada provides the money to first nations on reserve, and through Infrastructure Canada they can provide to indigenous communities that are not on reserve, who may have other agreements—Inuit and Métis.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Okay.

Is it per capita, based on population data, or is it based on priority projects that the first nation provides?

11:10 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

The amount of money we receive is based on the on-reserve per capita first nations populations.

I'm not sure I'm answering your question.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

The funding that flows to first nations, then, is per capita.

11:10 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

The money that Indigenous Services Canada receives is per capita based, yes.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Do indigenous communities have to apply through INAC or through Infrastructure Canada?

11:10 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

First nations on reserve apply through the region to Indigenous Services Canada.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Okay.

What accountability measures by your department are taking place, in terms of the spending of these dollars?

11:10 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

With regard to first nations, we have very close working relationships through our regional offices. When a first nation applies for a project or does project work, it does a plan at the local level—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Is there a reporting structure?

11:10 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

They do a band council resolution. It comes to the regional level, and then there is a reporting capability by the first nation and the region, but we do not ask first nations to report on their own money.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Do they not have to report at the end of a project or give a schedule of completion date? For any of that funding that's flowing to first nations, do they not have to report back how that money was spent, or if it was spent in the project that they had asked for?

11:10 a.m.

Director General, Regional Infrastructure Branch, Regional Operations Sector, Department of Indigenous Services Canada

Claudia Ferland

It depends on the scope and scale of the projects. The majority of the larger scope projects will do a project plan. We will work with them. We follow milestones. But it is their project, so they will manage their projects.