Evidence of meeting #89 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was boats.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Patrick White  Founder and Executive Director, Project Naval Distinction
Vice-Admiral  Retired) Denis Rouleau (As an Individual
Sara Anghel  President, National Marine Manufacturers Association Canada
Patricia Heintzman  Mayor, District of Squamish
Anne Legars  Administrator, Office of the Administrator of the Ship-source Oil Pollution Fund
Andrew Kendrick  Vice-President, Operations, Vard Marine Inc.

4:35 p.m.

Anne Legars Administrator, Office of the Administrator of the Ship-source Oil Pollution Fund

Madam Chair, ladies and gentlemen of the committee, thank you for inviting me to testify today as part of your study of Bill C-64.

Let me start by saying a few words about the compensation fund. It was created in 1989 under the Marine Liability Act. It is a special account in the accounts of Canada and into which monthly interest is paid by the Minister of Finance. Today, its capital stands at more than $400 million.

The fund is therefore fully capitalized, but the money must be used strictly for the purposes for which it was constituted. Those purposes are to provide compensation for damages caused by ship-source oil pollution, as well as to pay Canada's annual contribution to the International Oil Pollution Compensation Funds. So the administrator of the fund is the only person able to authorize payments from the fund. The administrator is appointed by the Governor in Council and is totally independent. Only the Federal Court can review his or her decisions.

The notion of “polluter pays“ is the program's key principle. This is the context in which the compensation fund provides claimants with access to an additional form of justice by avoiding the need for them to go before the courts, and by providing them with compensation of up to $172 million per accident. After that, the fund sues the polluter.

What is our experience with vessels and wrecks of concern? First, I have to underline that the fund seldom has to pay for oil pollution damages caused by vessels of over 1,000 tonnes. These incidents will normally be indemnified directly by the ship's insurer, as insurance is compulsory for such ships.

The vast majority of the fund's claims portfolio is linked to incidents involving vessels and wrecks of concern. These incidents represent two-thirds of the claims received by the fund and 80% of the final settlement cost paid by the fund over the past decade. This was actually documented in this report, which is on our website. We can leave a sample with the committee as well.

Only 2.2% of the amount settled with claimants over the period of the incidents involving these ships was recovered from the responsible party. The pollution costs of these vessels are escalating. These vessels are essentially vessels under 300 tonnes, such as fishing vessels or ex-fishing vessels, tugs, barges, and pleasure crafts.

Many claims we receive are linked to wreck removal. When the wreck removal operation is triggered by an oil spill incident or imminent risk of spill, we may pay the reasonable costs of preventing oil pollution damages or cleaning up oil pollution damages that are incidental to wreck removal operations. We will not pay for the actual removal or dismantling of the wreck unless the ship itself has become an oily waste, typically an old wooden vessel that has become impregnated with oil, becoming a kind of oil sponge.

What are the potential impacts of Bill C-64 on the fund's claims portfolio? When in force, Bill C-64 should help limit the number of claims brought to the fund, especially with respect to oil damages caused by wreck removals. The benefits should be felt for ships between 300 and 1,000 tonnes, for which the costs of dealing with the oil pollution risk incidental to a wreck removal operation will be borne by the wreck removal insurance. As mentioned, ships over 1,000 tonnes must already be covered by insurance for bunker fuel pollution.

However, in and by itself, Bill C-64 will likely have a marginal impact on our claims portfolio for the following reasons. First, the act will apply only to future occurrences and not to the existing inventory. Second, most of the ships that cause claims to the fund are below 300 tonnes, with no mandatory insurance. Third, many claims are caused by ships that are abandoned or dilapidated vessels, not “wrecks” within the meaning of the convention. Fourth, small vessels and pleasure crafts are the least regulated segments of the Canadian fleet. They are an important and uninsured source of vessels of concern and of oil pollution, and they are an important source of claims with the fund. Fifth, the polluter pays principle is difficult to uphold in circumstances where the owner cannot be identified.

Pending the implementation of other initiatives complementary to Bill C-64—and we know that a number of such initiatives are in the process of being developed or implemented—the fund expects to keep receiving a steady flow of claims linked to ships and wrecks of concern.

Ladies and gentlemen of the committee, I will be pleased to answer your questions.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Ms. Legars.

Mr. Kendrick.

4:40 p.m.

Andrew Kendrick Vice-President, Operations, Vard Marine Inc.

Madam Chair, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for the invitation to appear before this committee.

As noted, I'm Vice-President, Operations, for Vard Marine's Ottawa office. Vard is a Canadian company that designs ships. We also undertake a range of consulting activities to do with marine issues for private and public sector clients. Our clients range from oil majors to environmental NGOs. We take that as an endorsement of our ability to provide objective advice to whoever our client may be.

On a personal level, I'm myself a keen boater, particularly for sail and human-powered craft; and I am a lake steward for a small lake outside Ottawa. I have a keen, personal interest in all issues associated with water quality and water safety. I will try to maintain a difference between my corporate and my personal opinions.

In 2015, Vard undertook a project on behalf of Transport Canada, which was referenced, I noted, by the previous witnesses. We were supposed to be analyzing ship breaking and recycling capacity in Canada, but it actually became a much broader project, looking at advice on vessels of concern. What causes them? What are the potential means of dealing with them? This brought home to us the general legislative uncertainty surrounding the disposal of wrecked and abandoned vessels of various sizes, and best and worst practices in Canada and around the world for handling this.

Canada certainly needs a better framework to handle this problem. We consider that Bill C-64 is a valuable part of this. We do have some concerns with the bill because it's trying to address a very broad range of issues in a single package. While you may be able to gloss over this in the act itself, it will make it difficult, in our opinion, to formulate effective regulations for all the types of vessels that are under consideration. We're already seeing some signs of this in a recent DFO/PSPC request for information, which I'll talk a little more about in a minute.

The summary of the act refers explicitly to the Nairobi Convention and to requirements that will be imposed on vessels of 300 gross tonnes and above, but the general coverage of the act is to all Canadian vessels that are registered, listed, recorded, or licensed under the Canada Shipping Act.

There are only 1,500 Canadian vessels that are over the 300-gross-tonne limit. A thousand of those are barges and 200 are owned by the federal government, provincial governments, and crown corporations. On the other hand, there are roughly 40,000 vessels that are registered and several million that are either licensed or are supposed to be licensed. We followed in our work the NMMA study from 2012, which put the number of recreational vessels in Canada as 4.3 million.

Licensing applies to all vessels with more than 7.5 kilowatts, 10 horsepower, of engine power. That's a fairly low threshold. Bill C-64 lowers this still more by applying to all vessels other than unpowered vessels below 5.5 metres in length. Finally, I've been caught, because my 14-foot sailboat actually has an electric trolling motor. I'm not sure what the interpretation of the act will be in a condition like this.

As the coverage expands, the quality of the databases available for monitoring and enforcement drops rapidly. There are three different databases for Canadian-registered vessels, and they are by no means current or accurate. We're doing a study of that at the moment on another project for Transport Canada, and the registry is full of errors. We don't have access to the record for licensed vessels, but our experience suggests that the records are incomplete and highly inaccurate, and the process of licensing is poorly understood even by some of the more reputable boaters. Licences have to be renewed every 10 years, but most recreational boaters are not aware of that. We strongly suspect the licensing database is sadly out of date and would be of very little use in tracking down owners in many cases.

Enforcement of the requirements is very inconsistent. I'm not aware of any fines having been levied recently on people who didn't have a licence but were supposed to.

Applying the act to large vessels should be relatively simple and uncontroversial, except in the case of orphaned vessels. There, hard cases make bad law. But generally the large vessels are few in number, highly visible, and relatively well documented.

For smaller craft, there's certainly the potential to create a new, costly, and intrusive bureaucracy and considerable potential for mischievous or malicious application.

It appears to us to be possible to designate many vessels as abandoned, dilapidated, or derelict at quite a low threshold of proof, and if intrusive neighbours consider a boat to be an eyesore, they can initiate a process for removal that may be difficult or costly to stop.

This Friday, I'm going to an information session on the DFO initiative to create a risk assessment methodology and inventory management system for vessels of concern. This appears to envisage a very complex, multi-phased system that will deal with many abandoned and derelict vessels actually very slowly and with a maximum amount of paperwork. We're all in favour of the government creating lots of opportunities for consultants, but we are also taxpayers and boat owners. We trust regulation standards and internal processes developed to support the act will focus on actual problems and not create new ones.

I'd be happy to answer any questions either on our report or on any of our statements.

Thank you.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you all very much.

We'll go for six minutes to Mr. Chong.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr. Kendrick, maybe you could tell us a little bit about recycling and disposal of boats in the recreational sector. You mentioned there are some 4.3 million recreational boats in Canada. One of the previous witnesses mentioned that, until the 1950s and 1960s, it was largely a wood-hulled construction business, and disposal was pretty easy even if a boat was abandoned: within several decades, ashes would turn to ashes and dust to dust.

However, with the advent of fibreglass-hulled boats, how.... First of all, what is the life expectancy of a fibreglass-hulled boat? I know that there are lots of sailboats that were built in the 70s and 80s that are still being sailed and sailed aggressively.

Is there a life expectancy to the hull of a fibreglass-hulled boat?

4:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Operations, Vard Marine Inc.

Andrew Kendrick

They're almost immortal. This is a problem because there is no market for fibreglass. There have been numerous initiatives in Canada and elsewhere, and your previous witness mentioned some that we've seen as well for turning fibreglass into something useful. At the moment, it's purely a cost, and most of the fibreglass in Canada that's disposed of ends up in a landfill.

Certainly, if you have an aluminum boat, if you have a steel boat, that's worth something. The fibreglass is worthless. You cannot recover anything on a cash-for-cars, cash-for-clunkers, basis. There's no residual value, or very small residual value. This is one of the challenges.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Is it a real problem that fibreglass-hulled boats are being abandoned because there is no way of easily disposing of them and the market for them is shrinking?

4:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Operations, Vard Marine Inc.

Andrew Kendrick

It is, and I'll just mention at this point that what we found in our research is that it's a huge problem on the west coast because boats stay in the water. In central Canada, if you leave your boat in the water over the winter, bad things happen to it anyway. Most of the abandoned boats in central Canada are onshore, where they're much less of an issue than they are particularly on the west coast and to a lesser degree on the east coast.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Mayor, I wanted to ask you a few questions. In your municipality, how many abandoned or wrecked vessels are there, roughly?

4:50 p.m.

Mayor, District of Squamish

Patricia Heintzman

Let's put this into context. We had a project about two years ago, whereby we pulled out a whole bunch of creosote pilings because a lot of the squatters in the marine environment attached onto these old logging edifices and structures. During that process, we pulled out 22 vessels just basically in a weekend with a local volunteer group. We suspect there are a lot more in deeper water that we just don't see or get to.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

These 22, were they recreational or commercial?

4:50 p.m.

Mayor, District of Squamish

Patricia Heintzman

They were mostly small recreational boats, but often bigger than the 15 feet that is outlined. Absolutely, there are smaller ones as well as 20-, 25-, and 30-foot boats.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

They're power boats or sailboats. What are they?

4:50 p.m.

Mayor, District of Squamish

Patricia Heintzman

All of the above.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

How much of an issue is this for your municipality, these abandoned and wrecked vessels? Maybe tell us a little bit about how much of a problem it is.

4:50 p.m.

Mayor, District of Squamish

Patricia Heintzman

In every coastal community, it's a constant issue. It's a constant concern. We obviously have a boating community. People have their pleasure crafts. We have a terminal, a port. There's always an interface with the ocean. We're on the ocean. It's absolutely a day-to-day problem, whether it's squatters in channels or people who collect a whole bunch of derelict boats that others are giving away because they're trying to give away their problem and they end up collecting all these boats that are really awful.

The problem exists on Bowen Island, along the Sunshine Coast, on Vancouver Island. Everybody has the problem.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

It's like an auto wrecking yard in the ocean. People collect boats, and they just—

4:50 p.m.

Mayor, District of Squamish

Patricia Heintzman

People get given free stuff because other people are trying to unload their environmental problem or their garbage problem, sometimes under the pretence that it's going to be scrapped, and it never gets scrapped, so it's a constant problem.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

And you have a problem with squatters? Are these people on power boats or sailboats who are just mooring wherever they can and living in an unauthorized area?

What do you mean by squatters?

4:50 p.m.

Mayor, District of Squamish

Patricia Heintzman

We have a housing crisis on the west coast. Housing is very expensive, and Squamish is no different from Vancouver. We're very much affected by anything that happens in Vancouver.

Sometimes on big barges that someone might buy, they might have homeless people on them, for example. That has happened many times in Squamish. You might just have people who can't afford an apartment, and they get given a crappy old boat, and they just park it in the middle of the channel.

One of the things we did recently was mark the channel. The Coast Guard said they could enforce their rules much more clearly and more effectively if we marked the channel, and we marked it right up to the water lots. There are private leases and water lots, sort of a remnant of the logging days when you had log booms everywhere, so then it becomes a private property issue or a crown land issue.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

I don't have any further questions. Thank you.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Ms. Jordan.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Thank you to the witnesses for appearing today.

Ms. Legars, can you tell me how much money the Ship-source Oil Pollution Fund paid out last year?

4:55 p.m.

Administrator, Office of the Administrator of the Ship-source Oil Pollution Fund

Anne Legars

I don't have the exact number.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Roughly?