Evidence of meeting #57 for Veterans Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was australia.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Rodrigue Paré  Committee Researcher
Liz Cosson  Deputy Secretary and Chief Operating Officer, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia
Carolyn Spiers  Principal Legal Advisor, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia
Kate Pope  First Assistant Secretary, Transformation Division, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia
Craig Orme  Deputy President, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia
Lisa Foreman  First Assistant Secretary, Rehabilitation and Support Division, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia
Veronica Hancock  Acting First Assistant Secretary, Health and Community Services Division, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia
Stephanie Hodson  National Manager, Veterans and Veterans Families Counselling Service, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia

7 p.m.

Principal Legal Advisor, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia

Carolyn Spiers

Those older forms of schemes have since been replaced by a military scheme called the defence home ownership assistance scheme. It's a far more contemporary scheme in terms of the value of subsidization that's applied and more realistic to the value of home loans.

The Department of Defence has responsibility for that scheme, but coincidentally the Department of Veterans' Affairs administers it on behalf of the Department of Defence.

I think it would probably be best if we gave you some things about that because I don't have a lot of it in my head at the moment.

7 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

That would be very interesting to get.

One of the discussions that we've had in Canada over the last couple of years is the whole question of monthly payments to veterans or a lump sum. This was addressed right at the beginning. One of the amounts that was suggested was, I think, a maximum of $1,500 per month. Is that correct?

7 p.m.

First Assistant Secretary, Rehabilitation and Support Division, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia

Lisa Foreman

Veterans have access to three sources of income from the government if they're injured.

The first is for permanent impairment, which you can take either as a lump sum or as a fortnightly payment, if you elect to do so.

Second, you also get access to your military superannuation scheme, which is a defined benefits superannuation scheme.

Third, if you're injured or ill, you get access to an incapacity payment. Your incapacity payment is matched to the salary and allowances you had when you left Defence. We bring your income up to that level.

7 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

It's a combination of all three then.

7 p.m.

First Assistant Secretary, Rehabilitation and Support Division, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia

Lisa Foreman

That's right.

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Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Are any of them based on the assets or resources of the individual, or simply on the condition of the veteran?

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First Assistant Secretary, Rehabilitation and Support Division, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia

Lisa Foreman

It's on the condition of the individual. They are not income and asset tested at all. They're universal.

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Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Would Australian veterans who move outside the country continue to get payments and other benefits? Obviously, they wouldn't have access to the Australian medical system.

7 p.m.

First Assistant Secretary, Rehabilitation and Support Division, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia

Lisa Foreman

Yes, some of them do. We have arrangements in place with a number of other countries so the veterans can continue to access rehabilitation and pharmaceuticals.

Other arrangements depend on the relationship with the country they go to.

7 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Okay. That's fair enough. Those are my questions.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

7 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

We have three minutes with Ms. Mathyssen.

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NDP

Irene Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

Thank you very much.

Again, thank you for your expertise.

I noted that you had a consultation with female veterans and their families in December 2016. The objective was to create a line of communication and to give those veterans an opportunity to discuss the unique reality of being a female veteran. You followed up in May of this year with another forum. As a result, you were looking at vulnerable and disadvantaged women and the health conditions of those veterans being perhaps service related. Finally, the objective was to identify new services that were needed.

I recognize that it's early in this discussion, but I wondered what you discovered that was of greatest interest and what new services were identified, if any.

7 p.m.

First Assistant Secretary, Transformation Division, Department of Veterans' Affairs Australia

Kate Pope

Ms. Mathyssen, I can help you with that.

The female veterans policy forum was an election commitment, and it is an ongoing arrangement. You're right: the first forum was held in December last year. It consisted of about 25 female veterans and 25 female family members of veterans. We ran parallel seminars, and then we brought the two groups together for most of the second day, when they shared their issues.

Both groups identified quite similar concerns: transition was one of the top issues, as it is when we talk to veterans more broadly; the impact that service has on families, what it's like to serve as a female member and the effect that has on their families; the intergenerational experience of mental health and the impact on children; and the rigours of deployment if both parents are serving and deploying, and what happens to children and families in those situations.

They reflected on the difference from the Vietnam veteran era, when usually it was the man who deployed and the spouse stayed at home. The children had the stability of their mother, and also the health of their mother to rely on. In families now, very often female veterans are married to veterans themselves, so families are subject to a situation that challenges both parents. There was quite a lot of focus there, and what that means.

There was focus on veteran suicide and the experience of the women who had participated as mothers, wives, and sisters of people who had taken their own lives, and the impact that had on them.

They also talked about the need to support the family—because if you support the family, you support the veteran—and the critical role families play, as we were talking about before, in seeing what's happening to the veterans before the veterans themselves may notice. Families want to be able to talk directly to DVA and to be heard and respected—not just the veteran, but, very importantly, the family.

Those were the main issues they raised at that first seminar.

We are holding that on an annual basis. The next one will be in October this year. As I said, we have four years' worth of funding to continue to run this forum.

We are looking at other things we can do to support them. For example, one of the members there was involved in writing a book for children with parents who have PTSD. The book is called Do You Still Love Me? Because I Really Love You! We've been involved in purchasing copies of it, which we are distributing through our veterans and veterans' families counselling service as a way of supporting children in those circumstances.

Since then, we've been engaging, individually and collectively, with the women who participated in the forum, bringing some of them in to see the changes we are making and to help inform us of the direction we should go with the services that we offer. We've held particular engagement sessions with female veterans to get a real focus on what the particular challenges for women are.

There has also been an issue around recognition of the service of female veterans and their access to ex-service organizations. Some of them have faced discrimination and unfortunate commentary, when they are wearing their medals at commemoration ceremonies, that they are not wearing their own medals and have them on the wrong side. There are those kinds of questions. Our minister put out a press release highlighting this issue just before Anzac Day, to draw attention to the fact that female veterans deserve the same respect as male veterans, and their service is just as important and valued.

That's kind of the space we are operating in at the moment. We are working to develop ongoing connections and to help them form a network themselves, because we've discovered that most of them don't know one another. They were feeling quite isolated and alone, and the forum really gave them an opportunity to join together and to recognize that they weren't on their own. We've been encouraging the development of that ongoing network.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

Great. Thank you.

That ends our time for today. I thank you for staying a little longer.

On behalf of the committee, thank you for taking the time out of your busy scheduled.

I just wanted to add that my father was in World War II, on the Uganda. He didn't talk about the war a lot. That was a flagship that met the British fleet in Australia, and the only thing he'd talk about was how nice Australia was.

7:05 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

It still is, I guess.

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Liberal

Vance Badawey Liberal Niagara Centre, ON

I think the committee should go down there.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

Having said that, if your politicians were to make a motion to send our committee down to see you, we would accept that offer.

7:05 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

Again, thank you. If there is anything our committee can do to help your veterans, the men and women who have served, stay in touch. All the best.

Yes, Ms. Lambropoulos.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Emmanuella Lambropoulos Liberal Saint-Laurent, QC

I move that we adjourn.

(Motion agreed to)

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

Thank you.