Evidence of meeting #99 for Veterans Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was research.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Faith McIntyre  Director General, Policy and Research Division, Strategic Policy and Commemoration, Department of Veterans Affairs
Robert Tomljenovic  Area Director, Department of Veterans Affairs
Karen Ludwig  New Brunswick Southwest, Lib.
Shaun Chen  Scarborough North, Lib.
Cyd Courchesne  Director General, Health Professionals Division, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Veterans Affairs
Alexandra Heber  Chief of Psychiatry, Health Professionals Division, Department of Veterans Affairs

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Darrell Samson Liberal Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook, NS

With all due respect, Doctor, in other provinces, specialists do so. I'm sure they feel that they are doing the right thing for the veterans. That's my only question. It's unfair for certain provinces to not have access. It's not pushing for or against; I'm saying it's unfair to those veterans.

What type of research would we do? I don't know how I feel, because veterans are sharing their stories. I'm not saying that everybody is right, but I would like to believe that, if I'm getting 100 veterans telling me stories of how it's successful, we are at least trying to analyze, maybe, what is successful and why marijuana is having an effect or not. I get this feeling that their stories are not being considered.

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Health Professionals Division, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Veterans Affairs

Dr. Cyd Courchesne

We have heard their stories. That's why we have taken anecdotal evidence into account. Even though we know that anecdotal evidence is not scientific evidence, the lack of evidence in the literature right now does not mean there is no evidence.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Darrell Samson Liberal Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook, NS

That's correct. So—

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Health Professionals Division, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Veterans Affairs

Dr. Cyd Courchesne

That's why, with the anecdotal evidence and the best scientific evidence available, we landed on three grams, which is twice the amount of what Canadians are using now for medical purposes, as released in today's Health Canada report, the survey on cannabis—

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Darrell Samson Liberal Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook, NS

We're heading in the same direction now. That's very good.

What research do you foresee where we could take what's there and the testimony to try to dig deeper?

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Health Professionals Division, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Veterans Affairs

Dr. Cyd Courchesne

Right now we have the best with the evidence we have. If good, solid clinical research comes about that looks at any positive effect of ingesting cannabis in any form you want, and a change in symptoms or positive outcome, we will take that into consideration. But that will need to be done by the scientific, academic, clinical community.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

Thank you.

5:25 p.m.

Chief of Psychiatry, Health Professionals Division, Department of Veterans Affairs

Dr. Alexandra Heber

We are looking at having that research done. We are collaborating actively. I'm going to give you a list of three scientists working in this field who have great reputations and receive no funding from cannabis producers. This is going to be very important. When you interview people, the first thing you should find out is whether or not they're receiving funding or have some connection to the cannabis industry.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

Doctor, thank you, and if you could get those names and that information back to us, it would be appreciated.

On behalf of the committee, I'd like to thank both of you for coming today, and for all you do for the men and women who have served.

We need to break and clear the room quickly. We have about two minutes of committee business.

[Proceedings continue in camera]