House of Commons Hansard #200 of the 37th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was provinces.

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Main Estimates, 2002-03Government Orders

9:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mac Harb Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to be able to participate in tonight's consideration of the Privy Council Office estimates, which cover the cost of commissions of inquiry, including the commission on the future of health care. That commission requested an amount of $15 million over two fiscal years, $7.4 million in fiscal year 2001-02 and $7.6 million in 2002-03. These amounts are reflected in the estimates of the Privy Council Office.

I welcome this opportunity to speak about the Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada because of the importance of medicare in the daily lives of Canadians. For nearly 50 years, medicare has helped define who we are as people, reflecting the values we share as a society, and few things have become more central to our national life or have come to embody our most fundamental beliefs. In recent years, however, what was once a point of pride has become a cause of concern.

Changing demographics, new technologies and anxieties about the sustainability of medicare created new challenges and required new responses. That is why, in the year 2000, an historic agreement was reached between the Prime Minister of Canada and the first ministers, aimed at meeting immediate needs and addressing short term concerns. This was an important step, but we also knew that if we were to address the long term sustainability of health care we needed to look further down the road to 10 years or even 20 years from now to define the health care system of the 21st century.

That is why in April 2001 the federal government created the Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada, led by the able Saskatchewan premier, Roy Romanow. As we know, the commission mandate was straightforward: to address the long term sustainability of a high quality, universally accessible, publicly administered health care system. In particular, it looked at how we can foster and maintain a culture of continuous improvement in Canadian health care and how we can develop and maintain an environment of constructive collaboration between governments, and governments and stakeholders, in support of medicare.

Because of the importance of health care to Canadians and because of its complexity, the commission divided its work into two phases. The first was aimed at fact finding, doing the homework and building a solid foundation of evidence upon which to base its consultation. To avoid duplicating work that had been completed or undertaken by others, the commission's small in-house research staff focused on synthesizing the existing body of knowledge about health care in Canada and the options that exist to strengthen it. A significant portion of the commission's research effort was contracted to external policy analysts, practitioners and scholars, most of whom are associated with Canadian think tanks or universities.

It was an ambitious research agenda. Three major research projects were commissioned in the areas of human resources, the impact of globalization and federal-provincial fiscal relations. In addition, the commission produced over 40 background and research papers on a wide range of subjects and organized public policy forums and roundtables, including three international roundtables in London, Paris and Washington in order to gain insight from countries facing policy challenges similar to our own.

This fact finding work led to the commission's interim report tabled in February this year. While that report quite properly did not draw firm conclusions or foreclose on debate, it did indicate that a clear consensus existed on a number of points.

First, all Canadians should have reasonable access to quality care regardless of income or where they reside. Second, people should not risk bankruptcy if they become ill. With more and more treatments and drug therapies falling outside the coverage envisaged by the health care act, it is an increasingly important issue. Third, any reform to the system must not negatively affect the poor or the vulnerable. Fourth, there is an important role for government in health care.

These areas of agreement are not insignificant. They present a solid foundation on which to build. The second phase which has just been completed involved consulting directly with Canadians. It was perhaps the commission's most important contribution, for it removed health care from the passion of political debate and returned it to where it belonged: with the people of Canada.

Canadians responded. Close to 2,000 formal submissions or abstracts were received from individuals and organizations. More than 16,000 Canadians completed the commission's online survey. The commission fielded over 8,000 phone calls, e-mails and letters.

All told, the commission will have heard directly from over 600 groups and individuals during its public consultations. Many members of parliament including members of the opposition will play an important role and will be able to participate in their own ridings. To all the organizations which held town hall meetings, encouraged public debate and distributed the commission's workbooks I express my sincere appreciation.

With the public consultations behind it the commission is wrapping up its work with a series of public forums involving experts from across the country. The final stage will see the commission study its research results, review the findings of the preceding consultation phase and assess proposed policy directions.

I am pleased to report to the House that the final report will come in on time and on budget. The commission has done a great service for Canadians. I look forward to its recommendations as do my hon. colleagues. I can pledge to the House that the people of Canada will be given careful consideration. I am speaking a little out of line. I am sure the commission will do that.

I will close as I began, with a recognition that at its heart health care is not just about the services we receive but about the values we hold. The Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada recognized early on the importance of understanding those values, testing our commitment to certain principles, articulating the policies that flow from them, and recognizing that we must rethink our ideas about medicare. We must never abandon our ideals about medicare.

I am thankful to be able to participate in this important debate about health care and the importance of adopting the estimates so the Government of Canada can carry on doing the excellent and marvellous job it has been doing for the past nine years and which it will continue to do from here on in.

Main Estimates, 2002-03Government Orders

9:55 p.m.

The Speaker

It being 10 p.m., it is my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith every question necessary to dispose of the business of supply.

The House resumed consideration of the motion and of the amendment.

Main Estimates, 2002-03Government Orders

10 p.m.

The Speaker

The House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the opposition motion standing in the name of the hon. member for Peace River.

Call in the members.

(The House divided on the amendment, which was negatived on the following division:)

Main Estimates, 2002-03Government Orders

10:25 p.m.

The Speaker

I declare the motion lost.

The next question is on the main motion.

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10:30 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Catterall Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Mr. Speaker, I think if you ask you would find consent that those who voted on the previous motion be recorded as voting in the same way on the motion now before the House.

Main Estimates, 2002-03Government Orders

10:30 p.m.

The Speaker

Is it agreed that the vote be applied?

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10:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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10:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

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10:30 p.m.

The Speaker

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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10:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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10:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

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10:30 p.m.

The Speaker

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

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10:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Yea.

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10:30 p.m.

The Speaker

All those opposed will please say nay.

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10:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Nay.

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10:30 p.m.

The Speaker

In my opinion the nays have it.

And more than five members having risen:

Main Estimates, 2002-03Government Orders

10:35 p.m.

The Speaker

I declare the motion lost.

The House resumed consideration of Motion No. 1.

Main Estimates, 2002-2003Government Orders

June 6th, 2002 / 10:35 p.m.

The Speaker

The House will now proceed to the taking of the several deferred recorded divisions on motions relating to the main estimates standing in the name of the hon. President of the Treasury Board.

The question is on Motion No. 1. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt Motion No. 1?

Main Estimates, 2002-2003Government Orders

10:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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10:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

Main Estimates, 2002-2003Government Orders

10:40 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Catterall Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Mr. Speaker, I think if you ask this time you would find consent that those who voted on the previous motion be recorded as voting on the motion now before the House, with Liberal members voting yes, with the exception of the hon. member for LaSalle--Émard who has just come into the House and may wish to indicate how he is voting.

Main Estimates, 2002-2003Government Orders

10:40 p.m.

The Speaker

Is there unanimous consent to proceed in such a fashion?

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10:40 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.