House of Commons Hansard #25 of the 38th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was competition.

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, I will answer in 15 seconds. Both of our departments, namely the Department of Industry and the Department of Canadian Heritage, are currently drafting the act. We want to submit it to the Cabinet in 2004. My parliamentary assistant, who is in charge of the review of the Copyright Act, will gladly undertake this initiative in 2005 and bring it to completion.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, perhaps in her next answer she could state whether she agrees with the committee report.

Could the minister state if she agrees with the industry committee report, a majority report from the Liberals, agreed to by the Conservatives as well, that the Government of Canada remove all foreign ownership restrictions on cable companies and telecommunication companies? The report was signed by both Liberal and Conservative members. Does she agree with this recommendation?

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, to my knowledge, we have jointly signed the report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage. Therefore, with respect to the department of Canadian Heritage, I will refer to the report submitted by the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, it was a report by the industry committee in April 2003. The chairman was the member for St. Catharines. It was a recommendation to remove the foreign ownership restrictions for cable companies and telecommunication companies. Does the minister agree with that recommendation?

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, I abide by the recommendations of the Department of Canadian Heritage. This being said, we are working with my colleague in industry. I must say that this issue is not part of the program for the time being.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, this summer the CRTC revoked the broadcasting licence of CHOI-FM, a popular Quebec radio station. Under the Broadcasting Act, the cabinet has the power to set aside the decision or refer the decision back to the CRTC for reconsideration to issue, amend or renew a licence within 90 days of the decision date. The cabinet and the minister decided not to do that. Why did the minister and the cabinet decide not to send the decision back to the CRTC or to renew the licence of CHOI-FM?

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, I apologize, but the hon. member is wrong. All of our lawyers have told us that this decision could not be revoked by the governor in council. Now, it must be understood that the CHOI-FM case is currently before the Federal Court. Hence, we are not free to make comments about it.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, during the last election and since that time, at least three Liberal ministers and one former minister promised the Italian Canadian community, in public, that RAI International, a popular Italian television station, would be made available in Canada. Four to five months have passed since those promises and RAI is still not available in Canada. Why not? Why did this government break its promise to the Italian Canadian community?

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

First, Mr. Chair, that is not a promise; it is a wish. Secondly, the CRTC is looking into the question. The CRTC wants to review its regulations with respect to foreign services that compete with our Canadian industry. We should have its response by the end of December.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, I would like to move on to Fox News. Fox News is not available to Canadians, but it is available to Canadians who happen to be members of Parliament because it is available on Parliament Hill. I want this minister to explain to constituents in my riding why they are not able to watch Fox News on their television sets but their member of Parliament can watch it here on Parliament Hill.

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, first of all, Fox News is distributed on Parliament Hill through a private network, which is non-commercial and therefore not subject to CRTC regulations.

That said, the Fox News application is being considered by the CRTC. It will be examined according to the foreign ownership rules and competition with a Canadian service.

Nevertheless, I should add that all the following news services are available to the Canadian public: CBC News World, Réseau d'information, CTV News Net, LCN, Infosport, CPAC, Headline Sports, Pulse 24, CNN, CNN Headline News, Bloomberg News, BBC World—

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The Deputy Chair

The hon. member for Edmonton—Leduc.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, the Canadian Association of Broadcasters believes that Spike TV, which is a very popular U.S. channel made available here in Canada, should be removed from Canadian television sets because it is “a network for men” and we already have a network for men called Men TV.

Does the minister support this ridiculous endeavour or does she believe that Canadian men should perhaps be able to watch more than one channel on their television sets?

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, the decision is before the CRTC. Since the CRTC is an independent body, we shall await the results of its consultations. The CRTC reviews nearly 1,700 applications for revocation every year. This is a colossal task, but it has 400 employees to do it well.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, the minister often says that the CRTC is an independent body, that she cannot interfere and the fact is that she has to let it make the decisions.

The facts and the reality on certain issues like RAI International are that the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, the minister of human resources, the former minister and the Minister of Foreign Affairs have all stood up and said RAI International will be made available in Canada. One former minister during the last election campaign said not to worry about the CRTC decision, that the government would make sure that RAI International is available in Canada.

There is a double standard here. When the government wants to have a channel available in Canada for political reasons because it is losing support in the Italian Canadian community, the government feels it can overrule the CRTC. On other issues such as Fox News, HBO or Spike TV, the government says it cannot touch them, that the CRTC is an independent body.

The government cannot have it both ways. Why does this government interfere when it suits its political purposes but refuse to give policy direction on other issues such as Spike TV, HBO and Fox News?

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10:05 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, first, I said, it is not an intervention with the CRTC. It is a wish more than a directive. We cannot give directives to the CRTC.

Second, if we had wanted to do so for purely political reasons, RAI would be here. This suggests that the CRTC truly is an independent agency.

That said, the CRTC consulted the public in reviewing its 1986 regulations on foreign language service and the competition there might be with a similar service provided by a Canadian company. We are waiting for the CRTC decision.

We have done our share by setting up a committee chaired by Clifford Lincoln, who has given his recommendations to us and the CRTC. However, we are waiting for the CRTC decisions and we are not giving directives. We are waiting, like the rest of the population and my Italian community, for the CRTC decision.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, I want to clarify this issue. The minister has stated twice now that it was a wish expressed by the minister. It was not a wish expressed. It was a statement in the Montreal Gazette , a public statement by Denis Coderre. It was not a wish. It was a statement to the Italian Canadian community that RAI International would be made available in Canada regardless of what the CRTC decided.

I want to ask the minister, does she stand by her word that it was a wish or does she recognize that her former minister and colleague actually made a statement that contravened her own policy with respect to the CRTC?

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, I do not think there is anyone on this side of the House who does not respect the authority and the quasi-judicial status of the CRTC.

The CRTC is an independent agency. It will make its decision, and we are going to respect that decision. I must say that we have nonetheless contributed to thoughts on this matter by setting up the committee on access to public foreign television broadcasts, chaired by Clifford Lincoln.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, I will read the exact quote. Let me have the minister state that either this is a false quote we have here or she was in fact not accurate in what she was saying. This is what the former minister of the Privy Council stated:

It is for this reason that today we are undertaking to assure your community that no matter what the outcome, you will have access to Italian language TV programming including television from Italy available in Canada.

That was in the Montreal Gazette on June 9, 2004.

Either this statement is false, in which case I would ask the minister to stand and say that it is false, or she should correct what she said.

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Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, it is a newspaper article. I am telling you the truth, the facts, how this works. I am telling you that the CRTC is an independent agency. It is looking at the whole issue, not just RAI, but also access to public third-language, or foreign language, television services while balancing the effect to our Canadian industry.

The CRTC is and shall remain an independent agency, at least as far the members on this side of the House are concerned.

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Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Chair, in the time remaining let us review the government's policy on broadcasting.

The reality is that three-quarters of a million Canadian households, which even the government admits, are accessing services outside the broadcasting system in Canada. That means they are accessing either the black or the grey market. They are choosing pirated systems, which should be and is illegal, or they are choosing to access foreign programming like RAI International through services from the United States or other nations.

What is the government response? The response is that the government twice introduced a bill to amend the Radiocommunication Act, which would have criminalized Italian Canadians for watching RAI International. That is what it would have done. It would have criminalized Canadians.

The Conservative Party opposed that at committee. The government finally backed off, realizing that it was going to lose votes. It backed off and pulled the bill back. Here is what happened at committee. One of its own members, Joe Fontana, moved that the committee address this issue, address the broadcasting industry, by looking at amending the Broadcasting Act to allow more choice and competition for Canadian consumers so they do not have to get an illegal service or a pirated system to watch Portuguese television or Italian soccer. They want more choice here in Canada so they can obey Canadian laws.

The government's response is to do nothing. It did not act on its own member's motion in the industry committee. It is the government member's motion.

What has happened since then? A court decision in Quebec basically legalized the grey market. This government is the one that has put the entire Canadian broadcasting industry in peril because it has refused to act and allow choice and competition. When will the government finally allow choice and competition and ensure a lively and active Canadian broadcasting industry that survives well into the future?

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10:10 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, the issues are being muddled here. First, we represent the Department of Canadian Heritage. Our committee is the Canadian heritage committee, not the industry committee. Our topics of consideration are the protection of our culture, our cultural industry and our Canadian broadcasters.

Let me point out, however, that the Broadcasting Act is designed to prevent the sale or import of illegal devices in Canada. The grey or black market is illegal. The changes contemplated would strengthen penalties and establish more efficient import controls with respect to satellite television decoders.

As we know, the Court of Quebec has handed down a decision in the D'Argy case. The government is seriously considering reintroducing the bill in the House to increase control over the grey and black markets and better protect our Canadian industry, which is after all creating jobs.

I might add that we have access to 350 television channels. There are 24 hours in a day. I do not think we can watch all these channels at the same time. Neither can we—

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The Deputy Chair

Resuming debate. The hon. member for Honoré-Mercier.

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Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Mr. Chair, I would like to take a few minutes to talk about a subject of great interest to me, literature. I know that a good number of my colleagues here share the same passion.

You all know that Canadian literature has grown remarkably over the past 25 years. Thirty years ago, foreign editors had taken over nearly the whole market, and foreign books dominated on the shelves of Canadian bookstores. Today, Canadian owned publishing companies have recovered a substantial part of the Canadian market.

They have increased their share by 26% in 20 years and they now control more than half the domestic market. Compared with 25 years ago, there are three times the number of publishers owned by Canadian interests, four times the number of books published every year and five times the number of Canadian authors recognized nationally and internationally.

As Alice Munro said in her words of thanks Thursday night at the Giller Prize ceremony—and the minister was there—Canadian literature has come a long way since the time when she was working in a Victoria bookstore and clients were telling her, with some pride unfortunately, that they were not reading Canadian authors.

Today, Canadians are proud to read Canadian literature and understand the importance of Canadian fiction. Nowadays, Canadian literature is one of the richest in the world. In both official languages, our children's literature tells stories taking place in Canada, illustrates our values and is a testimony to our history. In addition, our fiction publishing is of unparalleled quality thanks to the major publishing firms belonging to Canadian interests, such as Boréal and McClelland & Stewart. The Canadian stories published by these firms are of vital importance to our nation because they reflect the regional, linguistic and ethnocultural vitality of Canada and remind us of our common values.

The money paid by the government to Canadian authors and publishers has contributed to creating a niche for these stories and, by and large, to the success of Canadian books.

Canadians are now thrilled by Canadian literature and celebrate our authors and their work through award presentations including the Giller Prize, the Athanase-David Prize and the Governor General's literary awards as well as through literary festivals and book fairs held throughout Canada every year. It is important to mention that.

In fact, this week, on Thursday, November 18, the 27th Annual Salon du livre de Montréal will open its doors. I will certainly be there. This bookfair is not only the most important French fair in North America, it is also the second largest francophone event of its kind in the world. The ever-increasing interest for awards and fairs, such as the Salon du livre de Montréal, is another monument to the success of Canadian literature.

Canadians love Canadian books because they are diverse enough to please all readers.

The unprecedented success of Canadian literature and the important part played by the government in that success are absolutely undeniable. However, the problems that our publishers face while developing literary content for a population as small and diverse as Canada's are also very real.

I would like the Minister of Canadian Heritage to tell this House how the government can ensure that our book industry can continue to meet these challenges and to maintain its status as a world-renowned producer of literature.

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10:15 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, I want to thank my colleague for his question because it gives me an opportunity to talk about our 25 years of contribution and action in the area of literature.

I would like, first, to congratulate Ms. Alice Munro for her second Giller Prize which she won for her short story collection last week. One had to be there, in Toronto, to see the pride not only of Ms. Munro, but also of people around her who were giving her this prize.

In that context, I would like to highlight what the New York Times writes in its November 14 issue about Alice Munro. I quote from the Book Review section:

“Alice Munro has a strong claim to being the best fiction writer now working in North America”, The New York Times said today.