House of Commons Hansard #74 of the 38th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was society.

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PetitionsRoutines Proceedings

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Mr. Speaker, I also present a petition with respect to the subject of marriage. I have a series of petitions from within my constituency, covering the areas of North Portal, Estevan, Weyburn, Midale, Creelman, Stoughton, Maryfield, Bellegarde, Redvers,Antler, Fairlight, Wauchope, Oxbow, Lampman, and Storthoaks, which is a great representation throughout the constituency. The petition indicates that marriage is the best foundation for families and the raising of children and the petitioners wish Parliament to use all possible legislative and administrative measures to preserve and protect the traditional definition of marriage as between one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.

PetitionsRoutines Proceedings

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Marcel Proulx)

I want to inform the House that we have three minutes left in the petition period, so I will ask members to please be brief so that other colleagues will be allowed to table petitions.

PetitionsRoutines Proceedings

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Helena Guergis Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour today to present two petitions, one with over 425 names on it from people in my riding of Simcoe—Grey. The petitioners call upon the government to maintain the definition of marriage as the union between one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.

PetitionsRoutines Proceedings

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Helena Guergis Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

Mr. Speaker, my second petition has over 820 signatures from people in the riding of Simcoe—Grey. The petitioners call upon the government to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16 years of age.

PetitionsRoutines Proceedings

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Leon Benoit Conservative Vegreville—Wainwright, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am proud to present this very important petition today from constituents who say that on fundamental matters of social policy the decision should be made by Parliament, not by the courts, on those issues, and that whereas a majority of Canadians support the definition of marriage as the voluntary union of a single unmarried male and female, it is the duty of Parliament to ensure that marriage is defined by Canadians as Canadians wish it to be defined. Therefore, they petition Parliament to use all legislative and administrative measures, including invoking section 33 of the charter, to ensure that marriage does remain the union of one man and one woman.

PetitionsRoutines Proceedings

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Marcel Proulx)

We have only 30 seconds left for presenting petitions.

PetitionsRoutines Proceedings

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Liberal

Gurbax Malhi Liberal Bramalea—Gore—Malton, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present the following petition. The petitioners call upon Parliament to enact legislation against redefining marriage. They would like to express their view that marriage should be protected and remain as the union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

Beauséjour New Brunswick

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, the following question will be answered today: No. 85.

Question No. 85Routines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Bill Casey Conservative North Nova, NS

With regard to Social Development Canada's Social Development Partnerships Program SDPP, since its introduction: ( a ) what is the total amount of SDPP funding that has been allocated to Nova Scotia in comparison with other provinces and territories; ( b ) by fiscal year, what is the percentage of total national funding that has been allocated to Nova Scotia; ( c ) how many applications for SDPP funding have been received from Nova Scotia organizations; and ( d ) how many of these applications have been approved?

Question No. 85Routines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

York Centre Ontario

Liberal

Ken Dryden LiberalMinister of Social Development

Mr. Speaker, the answer is as follows: a) Since its inception, the SDPP has provided $3,909,050.00 of funding to organizations located in Nova Scotia. In comparison to other provinces:

Nova Scotia, which ranks 7

th

in terms of population amongst the provinces and territories of Canada, ranks 5

th

in the amount of funding received under the SDPP.

While interpreting these results please be aware that the terms and conditions of the SDPP require that: “preference be given to projects that have national relevance” during the assessment of proposals for contribution funding; and that successful grant applicants be “national in reach (that is operate or have affiliates in a minimum of three of the following five regions--Pacific, Prairie, Central, Atlantic, North)”.

Some provinces received more funding per resident than others because the distribution of organizations which are eligible for funding from this program does not match the distribution of the population of Canada.

In particular, the figures for Ontario are skewed by the many national organizations which are headquartered in Ottawa or Toronto; Nova Scotia, ranks proportionally higher than other Atlantic provinces because a large number of organizations serving the entire Atlantic region are located in Halifax or Sydney.

b) The percentage of SDPP funding provided to organizations in Nova Scotia by fiscal year is as follows:

1998/1999 -- 6.63%

1999/2000 -- 5.22%

2000/2001 -- 3.73%

2001/2002 -- 2.29%

2002/2003 -- 3.51%

2003/2004 -- 1.87%

2004/2005 -- 2.57%

Note: This program provides funding to National organizations. National organizations of ten conduct projects in, or redistribute funding to affiliates in other provinces. These organizations may have redistributed some of the funding that they received to affiliates in Nova Scotia; those transfers are not captured in the figures above.

c) & d) Since april 2001, the SDPP has received 21 applications for project funding from organizations in Nova Scotia; 16 have been approved.

In 1998/1999 and 1999/2000, 13 projects were approved with organizations in Nova scotia. Under current practices, unsuccessful proposals are kept on file for a period of 5 years. Prior to April 2001, the last call for proposals was held in 1998 and as a result, information on unsuccessful proposals is no longer available.

There are currently 5 applications from Nova Scotia that were received in response to the call for proposals in December 2004. The assessment of these proposals is not yet complete.

Questions Passed as Orders for ReturnsRoutines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

Beauséjour New Brunswick

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, if Question No. 80 could be made an order for return, the return would be tabled immediately.

Questions Passed as Orders for ReturnsRoutines Proceedings

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Marcel Proulx)

Is that agreed?

Questions Passed as Orders for ReturnsRoutines Proceedings

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Skelton Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

Did the government fund any irrigation related projects in Saskatchewan and, if so, what were they, what was their cost, who were the recipients, what was their purpose, what are the related studies to be completed and, if any, when are they expected to be completed?

(Return tabled)

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

Mr. Speaker, I would ask that all remaining questions be allowed to stand.

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Marcel Proulx)

Is that agreed?

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Jay Hill Conservative Prince George—Peace River, BC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I wonder if you would seek consent to return to petitions if there is still time remaining out of the 15 minutes so that I could present some petitions.

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Marcel Proulx)

I have to inform you that the 15 minute time slot allowed for petitions has expired. However, if you can obtain unanimous consent to return to petitions, we will go back to petitions.

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Jay Hill Conservative Prince George—Peace River, BC

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With respect, I would ask that you seek unanimous consent of the House to do that.

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Marcel Proulx)

Does the hon. member have unanimous consent?

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

Question No. 80Routines Proceedings

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Some hon. members

No.

The House resumed from March 21 consideration of the motion that Bill C-38, an act respecting certain aspects of legal capacity for marriage for civil purposes, be read the second time and referred to a committee, and of the amendment.

Civil Marriage ActGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

Mr. Speaker, I will pick up where I left off and assume that those in the House and those watching listened carefully to my earlier comments. I said earlier that I felt that this bill protects religious freedoms as enshrined under subsection 2(a) of the charter. I felt that very strongly. I also said in my previous comments that the debate needs to be respectful.

That moves me to the main reason why I am supporting this bill: the principle of equality. I think that there very much is an issue of equality and human rights with respect to this bill, which must be addressed.

I have had the opportunity to talk with many young people who are gay and lesbian, to listen to their experiences and to hear about the incredible difficulty of being a young person growing up gay or lesbian. I try to imagine being in their shoes, being in a situation where I could not look forward in my life to marrying the person I love, where I could not have my relationship recognized by the state, where I would be denied that. I would be denied that not because it would ruin someone else's marriage, but because people did not feel that I should have it.

This brings me to my aunt. My aunt is a lesbian. My aunt is someone who has fought very hard in this country against hate, with different hate crimes divisions and also in a lot of different work she has done as a journalist. She is someone I am deeply proud of and someone I care for very deeply. Why should she not have the right to marry the person she loves? Why should that right be denied her? How is my relationship with my wife and my three children hurt by my aunt having the opportunity to share her life with someone?

The reality is that it is not. In fact, I would submit that my relationship is strengthened by my aunt having the ability to marry the person she loves. Marriage is not hurt by monogamous committed relationships. Marriage is not destroyed by love. My family is made stronger by my aunt being able to share her life with the person she chooses to share with, the person she cares for.

People can say, “Well, she can have that”. They say that she can have that but we just cannot use the word “marriage”. She can have all of those other things we have, but she cannot have the word “marriage”.

It would be akin to me being elected to this House and not being allowed to use the term “member of Parliament”. All of my colleagues would have the term “member of Parliament”, but the term “federally elected representative” would be bestowed on me.

Words carry power in that they bestow upon those individuals legitimacy. Therein lies the heart of the effort to deny gays and lesbians the right to marry, to say that their relationship is not equal, that their relationship is not legitimate. It is not the role of the state to choose whose relationship is right and whose relationship is wrong, who has the right to love whom and who does not. Somebody is in a committed monogamous relationship.

We all need somebody to love. We all need somebody at the end of the day to go to and say, “I had a tough day. I need to talk. I need support tonight because I have had a difficult day”. We all need that person to turn to.

The question is, where does this lead? If we allow this, where does it lead?

It leads to equality.

Society is not static. Things do not simply remain the same in perpetuity. Let me give many examples in that regard. Slavery was a tradition across all the epoch of history. When it changed it did not lead to the disaster that some forecast. It was quite the opposite. It led to equality.

Let us deal with racism and the progression away from racism toward equality. Some said that the end of discrimination would lead to problems. It did not. It led to equality.

When we talk about sexism, which we are still fighting, along with racism, we see that its progression toward equality has only met strength and that those changes have been powerful.

Let us take a look at other words, words that have changed, traditional words. How about the word “person”? The word “person” has transformed. Can members think of a more fundamental thing than the definition of a person? It is almost impossible to imagine that within the context of the last century women were not considered people, that fellow citizens today who sit in this House who are women and who are minorities were not considered people. Those were traditions. They must change.

What of marriage? Is marriage this unchangeable union, this union that has never seen change? Absolutely not. In fact, the religious definition of marriage, the idea of marriage being a religious ceremony, did not come into being until the 16th century. It was in the 14th century that the clergy began to get involved in religious ceremonies performed by the state because the clergy was literate, so we undertook a change then.

At one point marriage was really an exchange of a woman into the ownership of a man, because a woman was not a person. She was transferred from ownership by the parent to the husband. So too have we changed our views on divorce and other matters as we have moved forward as a society and as we have made decisions.

However, when I look at this, the fundamental issue for me is that I have been given the privilege and honour of sharing my life with Aerlyn, the woman who I have spent 13 years with and who I love dearly. As I have been given the honour of sharing my life with her, so too should gays and lesbians be given the right to share their lives in a rich and meaningful way. The state must not say to them that it passes moral judgment, that their relationships are not legitimate. That is the worst type of discrimination. It is institutional discrimination. The state is passing moral judgment on the equality of a relationship. I will not stand for it and I am proud to support this legislation.