House of Commons Hansard #9 of the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was international.

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Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:05 p.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

Madam Speaker, first of all, I would like to congratulate my hon. colleague on the excellent speech he gave. There two parts to my question.

How can my colleague explain this lack of empathy on the part of the Reform Conservative government towards Quebec and Canadian workers? Would the standard response be to talk about their neo-liberalism and Adam Smith's invisible hand, which states that the government should intervene very little or not at all to help a struggling economy or, more importantly, to help workers who lose their jobs?

Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:05 p.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

Madam Speaker, I must first apologize for not making a French copy of my speech. I nearly managed to, but I did not have enough time.

I cannot explain this government's lack of empathy towards workers. I listened to the speeches given this week and, as I told my colleagues, it is as though the Conservatives were living in a glass bubble and came from another planet. They do not understand what is happening in my riding, for example. They do not understand that there is a forestry worker right now who is losing not only his job, but also his house. He will have to live in his truck and will have to start the truck's engine every so often to warm up. That is the truth.

That is part of the neo-liberal or Conservative philosophy. It is reminiscent of the Milton Friedman school, with its regulations and privatizations, this notion that the government does not have the right to interfere in the affairs of the nation.

But that—

Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:10 p.m.

NDP

The Acting Speaker NDP Denise Savoie

I am sorry to have to interrupt the hon. member for British Columbia Southern Interior, but since a number of people have risen, I would like to give someone else a chance to ask a question.

The hon. member for Kings—Hants.

Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, last weekend I was at the Davos conference. Economists from around the world were there, including Joseph Stiglitz, who won the Nobel Prize in economics and certainly is not an ideologically rigid economic mind.

All of those economists were fearing the U.S. protectionist elements that can put in place barriers to trade, that can lead to retaliation. Every one of them said that is one of their greatest concerns at this time.

This week President Obama actually recognized that what was happening in Congress and the buy American provisions as they were stated were in fact damaging and dangerous in terms of creating that environment. He spoke out against them. What he said quite specifically is, "I think it would be a mistake though, at a time when worldwide trade is declining, for us to start sending a message that somehow we're just looking after ourselves and not concerned with world trade". That is what President Obama said.

President Obama is doing more to stand up for Canadian workers than the New Democrat Party of Canada is doing. Why is it that the New Democrats are willing to sacrifice Canadian jobs on the basis of their rigid ideological perspective that protectionism is best?

The New Democrats should put their ideology away for a little while and defend Canadian workers who need someone who will stand up to Congress at this critical time.

Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:10 p.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

Madam Speaker, it appears that members of the Conservative Party are in complete agreement with the recent statement made by the hon. member.

If we look at what has been happening and the economists who are gathering, if we look at those people, the elite who are represented, and the Canadian Council of Chief Executives in our country and the parallel organizations in the other three NAFTA countries, we see who is driving the agenda. Of course those driving the agenda do not want government to have any kind of control, or part control, over the economy. Of course they are going to be saying that this is not right.

I would like to remind the hon. member that people in both countries are elected. They are elected on various platforms. They are elected to do something. President Obama was elected to ensure that he gets the best for the American people.

Having said that, nobody is saying that we should shut down the borders. It is completely false to say that we are basing things on a protectionist philosophy. All we are saying, and many Canadians are saying, is to look at it before we sign everything away and let us make sure that we can maintain jobs here. Maybe we should have some buy Canadian provisions for the steel industry. Maybe we should have some exemptions in this agreement with the United States. That is all we are saying.

Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Irwin Cotler Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Madam Speaker, I rise in support of the motion, “That, in view of the growing protectionism in the United States...this House calls upon the government to intervene forthwith and persistently with the United States administration and the Congress in order to protect Canadian jobs, and urge the United States to protect its international agreements, including the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement, the North American Free Trade Agreement and the World Trade Organization”.

I am reminded by my colleague of the words of President Obama two days ago, when he said:

I think it would be a mistake though, at a time when worldwide trade is declining, for us to start sending a message that somehow we're just looking after ourselves and not concerned with world trade. I think we need to make sure that any provisions that are in there are not going to trigger a trade war.

This is not the first time that the protectionist impulse has found expression in the United States, a protectionist impulse that is not unrelated to the economic crisis besetting the United States if not the global economic meltdown as a whole. In the months following the great stock market crash of 1929, and amidst the fear and uncertainty of that period, protectionist forces in the United States pushed for legislation that would shelter local industries and jobs. The result was, as we recall, the Smoot-Hawley act, which hiked tariffs to all-time highs on some 70 agricultural products and 900 manufactured items.

Economists are divided on whether the law, which touched off retaliatory measures from both Europe and Canada, turned a deep recession into a protracted depression. However, on one thing they do agree: these protectionist measures took a bad situation and made it worse. For example, between 1929 and 1934 world trade declined 66%. Much of that weakening can be blamed squarely on the Smoot-Hawley act.

Let us fast-forward to the 1980s, when the Government of Canada sought at the time to improve access to the United States markets to improve productivity and employment, encourage foreign direct investment, strengthen the competitiveness of Canadian firms in global markets and ensure the steady improvement of living standards for Canadians as a whole. Accordingly, in May of 1986, the Canadian and U.S. governments began to negotiate a free trade agreement. By October 19, 1987, this 20-chapter agreement was finalized. It came into effect on January 1, 1989.

This agreement included a schedule for the elimination of all tariffs on trade between Canada and the U.S. by January 1, 1998. Admittedly, the implementation of this agreement generated employment losses in some sectors and gains in others. However, on the whole, the economies of both countries became more integrated. Exports flowed to the United States, and in turn there was more U.S. investment in Canada and the like.

This brings me to NAFTA, the second of the three great trade agreements. In January of 1994, Canada, the U.S. and Mexico launched the North American Free Trade Agreement. Many of the same issues raised in the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement surfaced again with regard to NAFTA and found expression in the discussions and debate in this House. Canadian businesses wanted Mexico to open up for them, while organized labour and workers feared that Canadian businesses would relocate to Mexico to take advantage of lower labour costs and lower environmental standards.

At the same time, Canadian nationalists wanted assurances that Canadian sovereignty would be respected and that Canada could protect its culture, water, resources, and standards on health, safety, labour and social programs. Some provinces were also worried about the potential impact of NAFTA on specific regional industries, whether it was British Columbia's softwood lumber or Ontario's car manufacturing.

On the whole, I think one can say that the agreement did bring economic growth and rising standards of living for the citizens of all three countries, and that it established a strong foundation for future growth, however imperfect and inadequate some of the dimensions of that agreement may appear to be.

This brings me to the third of the final agreements, the WTO agreement. The WTO serves as an international organization representing 153 member states and 95% of total world trade. Its mandate is to supervise and liberalize international trade.

It operates under a spectrum of rules, which Canada and the U.S. contributed to, and we have a rule of law trade relation system.

What the three agreements, these three path-breaking developments, really have in common and which should underpin now our multilayered representation to the United States and Canada with respect to this protectionist impulse, are the following.

First, these are not just agreements on free trade, those which I have cited and referred to, but in fact they have ushered in a global culture of free trade.

Second, they reflect the highly integrated nature of both the American and Canadian economies and the harm that protectionism would have on our industry, commerce and the economy of both countries. However, what must be appreciated is how unique the bilateral trade relationship is. I will quote certain data:

The cross-border flow of goods and services added up to almost $700 billion in 2008. The United States absorbs roughly four-fifths of Canada's exports, and supplies nearly two-thirds of its imports. The Canadian market, in return, takes up more than one-fifth of U. S. exports and provides one-sixth of its imports. Canada is a larger market for U. S. goods and services than all 27 countries of the European Union combined.

The third principle is the importance of the rule of law underpinning the culture of free trade to which President Obama has referenced on more than one occasion.

Finally, the fourth principle is the internationalization of free trade, that free trade is not just a bilateral norm or even a regional norm, but it has become an international norm underpinned by a whole framework of international law.

The American president may be said to be a rule of law president. We saw this when among his first executive orders was an order to ban torture, to order the closing of Guantanamo and to ensure that the struggle against terror would be anchored in the rule of law.

We saw this when, during the electoral campaign and then again in his inaugural address, the President spoke of the rule of law underpinning American foreign policy, international relations, United Nations multilateralism and the promotion of human security. We see this also in his eschewing of protectionism, which could trigger, as he put it, a trade war instead of global free trade.

Therefore, I want to recommend that the rule of law not only underpin our bilateral relationships in the matter of free trade, but the entire Canada-U.S. relationship in the matter of international law, foreign policy and diplomacy as a whole in two respects, and I will close with these examples.

First, President Obama has spoken of the importance of and, indeed, his commitment to the prevention of genocide. As we meet, we are confronted with two instances on genocide in the 21st century, the state sanctioned incitement to genocide in Ahmadinejad, Iran, and the genocide by attrition in Darfur.

These remind us of the two great lessons of the last 60 years since the genocide convention was adopted on December 9, 194: first, that the Holocaust and the genocide that followed in the Balkans, Rwanda and Darfur occurred not because of any machinery of death but because of the state sanctioned incitement to genocide; and second, was that these mass atrocities occurred because of indifference and inaction on the part of the international community.

Therefore, we should convey our willingness to work with President Obama, first, to invoke the rule of law principle and to invoke the remedies under the genocide convention to hold Ahmadinejad, Iran to account. In other words, the genocide convention and its obligations are not just a policy option. They are international legal obligations. As joint state parties to the genocide convention, we should work in order to combat the crime that has already been committed under the genocide convention, namely the direct and public incitement to genocide.

The second is with regard to Darfur. We should work together with the American president to combat the genocide by attrition in Darfur and invoke the responsibility to protect principle under the rubric of the rule of law.

Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:20 p.m.

Peterborough Ontario

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro ConservativeParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Canadian Heritage

Madam Speaker, I enjoyed listening to the member's speech. I know he is an advocate for human rights and obviously he is quite passionate about that.

With respect to U.S. relations and the buy American bill, I am sure the member is aware of some of the efforts that have been going on. The members for Leeds—Grenville, Edmonton—Leduc, Yellowhead, Westlock—St. Paul, Malpeque and York West have all been in direct contact with colleagues in the United States, Democrats and Republicans, members of Congress and members of the Senate. We have been in contact with members at the very highest level, including the house leader of Congress. Last year the member for Yellowhead and the member for Edmonton--Leduc met with Speaker Nancy Pelosi and specifically put forward Canada's issues.

Ambassador Michael Wilson has been forcefully putting forward Canada's message. Former ambassador Frank McKenna has also worked very hard on this. This is a great time for Liberals, Conservatives, for all Canadians, for all members of the House, to get together and to tell the Americans that we are their friends, we can work together, we are stronger together, we have one future and it is tied.

I hope the member agrees with that point.

Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Irwin Cotler Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Madam Speaker, that in fact was reflected throughout my remarks. The point that I was trying to make is that when we make representations to the United States, these representations have to be on a multi-layered approach to both parties in Congress, to non-governmental organizations, to the public sector and the like.

The second thing is that when we make this approach, we have to underpin it with the rule of law principle. That is the commitment that underpins everything President Obama does. Unless we speak that shared language and unless we speak with respect to those shared values, we will not connect in a way that we would wish in order for our advocacy to be effective.

We should enlarge our approach with respect to invoking the rule of law principle to other dimensions of our bilateral relationship, so that President Obama will see that he has in Canada a partner with respect to the pursuit of justice as a whole, of which the matter of free trade is one important component but not the whole of the pursuit of justice.

When we are seen to be pursuing justice in concert with President Obama, the U.S. administration and Congress, we will succeed better on this issue. We will succeed as well on the other issues that I referred to in my remarks.

Opposition Motion--Canada-United States RelationsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:25 p.m.

NDP

The Acting Speaker NDP Denise Savoie

It being 6:27 p.m., pursuant to order made earlier today, all questions necessary to dispose of the opposition motion are deemed put and the recorded division is deemed to have been demanded and deferred until Tuesday, February 10 at 3 p.m.

A motion to adjourn the House under Standing Order 38 deemed to have been moved.

6:25 p.m.

NDP

The Acting Speaker NDP Denise Savoie

The member for Trois-Rivières has four minutes as part of the adjournment debate.

6:25 p.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

Madam Speaker, during oral question period on January 29, 2009, I asked the Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages a question about the 375th anniversary of Trois-Rivières.

This year, Trois-Rivières is celebrating its 375th anniversary and has received $2 million from the provincial government. The City of Trois-Rivières has obviously worked hard to organize activities, and we are still awaiting confirmation from the federal government that we will receive a subsidy for these celebrations.

In the midst of all this action, and after a number of meetings, City resolutions, plenty of questions, calls, meetings rescheduled by two ministers, I have come to realize that there is confusion between Trois-Rivières, the cultural capital, and the organization of the 375th anniversary of Trois-Rivières. These are two different things.

The Trois-Rivières cultural development corporation submitted its request for the city to be recognized as a cultural capital of Canada over a year ago, and the city was awarded the title. This year, Trois-Rivières has another committee, a corporation that is organizing the 375th anniversary celebrations. The corporation has a president, a board of directors and an executive director, and it is organizing the festivities highlighting the 375th anniversary of the founding of Trois-Rivières, the second oldest francophone city—it goes without saying—in America. This is a major event that means a lot to Trois-Rivières.

After the cultural capital of Canada title was bestowed on the city, departments seemed to think that the $2 million had been handed over. But Trois-Rivières has not yet received any funding for its 375th anniversary from the federal government. That is why I am not satisfied with the minister's answer, which does nothing to clear up the confusion.

The debate was reignited during the last election when the Conservative candidate was quoted in a full-page spread in the daily Le Nouvelliste. She promised that as soon as she was elected a member of a Conservative government, she would deposit $2 million in the 375th anniversary celebration account.

Imagine how hopeful that made the people of Trois-Rivières feel. People believed that the government had finally seen their point of view and would help them out. Then, after I put the pressure on, I was told by some assistants that Trois-Rivières had not voted for the right party. I am the member for Trois-Rivières, but I am a member of the Bloc Québécois, not the Conservative candidate.

Can the minister tell me whether this confusion will ever be cleared up and whether the government will give the 130,000 people of Trois-Rivières the money they need to organize their 375th anniversary celebration?

6:30 p.m.

Peterborough Ontario

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro ConservativeParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Canadian Heritage

Madam Speaker, it is my honour to respond to the question of the hon. member.

Trois-Rivières came forward last year. It requested $2 million in support from the federal government, and it will receive $2 million. I am sure it will be a great celebration enjoyed by all, in partnership with the federal government.

In fact, just last year the mayor of Trois-Rivières, Yves Lévesque, thanked our government when we announced that Trois-Rivières was eligible for funding of up to $2 million from the cultural capital program. Mr. Lévesque said, “this prestigious title will allow us to finance a series of cultural activities in the context of the 375th anniversary of Trois-Rivières”.

That is our commitment. We intend to follow through on that commitment. We intend to see this event through and assist Trois-Rivières in celebrating what will be a great celebration for all Canadians. At the 375th anniversary of Trois-Rivières, we will be standing shoulder to shoulder wishing bonne fête to the city of Trois-Rivières.

6:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

Madam Speaker, this confusion comes up all the time. It is important to remember that many cities in Canada have been named as cultural capitals and were not celebrating a historic anniversary. Unfortunately for Trois-Rivières, as it turns out, it so happens that the city is celebrating its 375th anniversary in the same year it is a cultural capital.

But one thing does not preclude the other. Mayor Lévesque was quoted as thanking the government for the $2 million the city had received as a cultural capital and added that this title would allow the city to finance a whole series of cultural activities in the context of the 375th anniversary. I believe the quote has the same meaning in French and English.

“In the context” simply means that the 375th anniversary is happening in 2009.

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Madam Speaker, just to be clear, the city requested $2 million to assist in the celebration of the 375th anniversary. It will receive $2 million from the federal government. We are partnering with the city to make this a grand celebration, a celebration which will be enjoyed and celebrated by all Canadians, and we look forward to that.

6:30 p.m.

NDP

The Acting Speaker NDP Denise Savoie

The motion to adjourn the House is now deemed to have been adopted. Accordingly the House stands adjourned until tomorrow at 10 a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).

(The House adjourned at 6:34 p.m.)