House of Commons Hansard #63 of the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was chair.

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Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:05 p.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Madam Chair, when these special considerations are made, are they available to all fishermen? I know of examples where people have written the minister asking for special consideration to be made and she has refused them outright and she has not given any reason why.

For example, Guy Greenham of Pacquet has written the minister asking her why she upheld the decision to allow Eugene Kean of Renews a core licence after Mr. Kean appealed and lost three times before an independent licensing body. Mr. Guy Greenham applied under the exact same circumstances. He did not get any consideration from the minister, but if one lives in the former minister's home town of Renews, one gets the licence. Even though one has appealed three times and lost, the minister upholds and changes the appeal.

Why can Guy Greenham not get that kind of consideration?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, of course I cannot speak to individual cases on the floor of the House.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Madam Chair, she is the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans. She does speak to those issues. Fairness and transparency are important parts of fisheries management.

I will ask the minister again. Can Guy Greenham of Pacquet get an appeal directly to the minister for his core status, yes or no?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, all decisions from appeal boards do end up coming to me for a final decision.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Madam Chair, well, under identical circumstances, which is exactly the circumstances that we are talking about, will Guy Greenham get the same treatment that Eugene Kean got. Eugene Kean applied three times under appeal. He lost three times under appeal. Guy Greenham applied in a similar fashion. He did not get his appeal. They were the exact same circumstances.

Will the minister intervene and provide some relief, some transparency and some fairness to this process?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, I am not going to talk about the lives and cases of individuals on the floor of the House for the whole country to listen to. As I said before, the decision rests with the minister. The appeal board makes the recommendation to the minister. That is where the final decision is made.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Madam Chair, Mr. Guy Greenham asked me to raise this with the minister because he wrote to the minister and she has not bothered to reply to him.

Let us talk about a public policy issue then. I will ask the minister, in these tough times is it ever a good decision to give fish to those who will not fish it, to those who will not process it? They will just broker it off as a royalty charter for their own profit and at the expense of the traditional industry. Does the minister think that is a responsible thing to do at this time in the fishery?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, it all depends on who benefits from the fish.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Madam Chair, I think, with the minister, it all depends on who is going to get the fish.

I would like to ask the minister a very direct question. Shrimp prices are now at rock bottom. The shrimp industry of Newfoundland and Labrador is now effectively closed. Is the minister going to award shrimp from the NAFO regulatory area, the northeast coast of Newfoundland, to P.E.I.? Yes or no?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, the northern shrimp management plan is one that will be announced within the next couple of weeks. As I said, we still have several plans that have yet to be finalized.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Madam Chair, this is a very good opportunity for the minister to actually say where she stands on this issue.

In these economic times, the fiscal downturn that this country has experienced, but most in particular that the fishing industry has experienced, the shrimp industry has now effectively shut down. Is she or is she not going to award shrimp to those who do not fish it, who do not process it? They just simply broker it out on a royalty charter for profit for their own back pockets and watch as legitimate fishers in this industry declare bankruptcy.

Is that the responsible action that the minister intends to uphold?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, as I said previously, when the management plan is completed, it will be made public.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Madam Chair, there is a duty to inform and to consult. The consultation has been completed. I hope that the minister will not allow mobile gear access to turbot in the Gulf of St. Lawrence area. We have a bycatch fishery here which, if she awards this turbot to a fleet in a directed fishery, she basically has to explain where the bycatch resource will come to be able to keep the other fisheries open. Will she explain how she would do that?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, when the management plan is complete, it will be made public.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 p.m.

Vancouver Island North B.C.

Conservative

John Duncan ConservativeParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Madam Chair, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans plays an important role in protecting our nation's waterways and aquatic ecosystems. DFO is working hard to advance Canada's interests in these areas through scientific research and making sound decisions and policies based on science.

An important part of the department's work is understanding Canada's unique aquatic environments and how our actions affect them. DFO depends on its scientific institutes, labs and centres of expertise for vital information to make the decisions that are both environmentally sound and economically prosperous.

I will now talk about science at DFO, as well as how the department puts science to use. DFO-led scientific research is continuing to make strides in understanding our oceans and freshwaters, from locating natural resources to identifying areas that need special protection, such as the department's work with provincial and territorial partners in our marine protected areas.

Our government has made strides in this work through the announcement of marine protected areas, including Bowie Seamount in the Pacific and Musquash Estuary off the coast of New Brunswick. Facilities such as the Bedford Institute of Oceanography, the Pacific Biological Station and the Maurice Lamontagne Institute play an integral role in the department's work. The data they produce creates the groundwork for DFO's policies and regulations. They are essential for the department's ability to deliver results for Canadians.

Scientists are an integral part of DFO but they are also a part of the broader scientific community. Scientists around the world share a commitment to advancing our understanding of the world around us and DFO scientists regularly receive international accolades.

Along with fostering scientific knowledge and supporting effective policies, the research conducted by DFO can lead to successful commercial applications. For example, DFO scientists contributed to the development of the autonomous underwater recorder for acoustic learning. This tool monitors and records underwater sounds, including the sounds of marine mammals and the noise generated by marine traffic. This was commercialized and generated enough sales in the first two years to repay the initial investment tenfold.

Further, the department's science and resource experts are working on the elaboration of DFO's plan for sustainable fisheries. Building on these policies and incorporating new ones, DFO's plan forms the basis for implementing an approach to the management of our marine fisheries that focuses on ecosystems. This ensures a sound basis for sustainable fisheries management in Canada.

One important organization that calls DFO home is the Canadian Hydrographic Service. Canada has more than 130,000 nautical miles of coastline, which is more than any other country in the world. With 300 dedicated employees distributed across Canada, this service publishes and maintains nearly 1,000 nautical charts, as well as hundreds of publications. It gives our government great pride to say these products are renowned the world over for their quality.

The data collected by the service is essential to understanding our waters. With access to Canadian Coast Guard ships, the service takes advantage of every opportunity to take hydrographic and oceanographic measurements. Regular field surveys, especially for higher risk, higher priority areas, with both shore parties and marine vessels, include specialized hydrographic craft.

Most recently, the service completed surveys of the deeply complex Labrador inshore route. This was a significant accomplishment and the CHS employees deserve our congratulations for their fine work.

The Canadian Hydrographic Service contributes to the safe navigation of Canada's waterways and uses the latest technology to collect high-resolution data. The service monitors tides and water levels to collect information on our climate and natural hazards, and plays a role in determining maritime boundaries and Canadian sovereignty.

While it is important to continue pressing forward in our understanding of our aquatic resources, we must also work to conserve and protect them. One way to do this is by upholding the legislation and regulations that set the rules for the wild capture fishing industry.

DFO takes these rules seriously. In fact, Canada has one of the most advanced monitoring, control and surveillance programs in the world. To enforce compliance and preserve fish stocks, DFO uses aerial and at-sea patrols to monitor fishing vessel activity inside and outside our 200 mile limit. We track catches using independent onboard observers, as well as electronic and dock-side monitoring.

These enforcement systems are important, but of course they require personnel. We have world-class fisheries officers who go through a three year training program. They are the front line. They conduct patrols on the land, on the sea and in the air. They work in every kind of weather, in rough terrain, on sea, and board vessels in dangerous conditions. These officers are protecting the interests of Canadians and helping advance key priorities, such as eliminating illegal fishing activities and demonstrating the importance of conservation and protection.

DFO has hired 153 new fisheries officers in the last three years. This hiring is an expansion and a significant improvement made by the Conservative government, which reverses a trend that existed under the previous Liberal government that allowed the number of fisheries officers to shrink. This government understands the importance of proper enforcement in our Canadian waters and we are taking this responsibility seriously.

DFO's scientific research and conservation and protection efforts play an important role in managing our waters and resources. Our government knows they are an important part of Canadian identity. We work together with other levels of government, partner with industry and organizations, preserve and protect our ocean and freshwater, and encourage the sustainability of fisheries.

We will maintain DFO's position as a leader in science and continue using the knowledge gained from our research to inform decisions and policies so that we can continue to meet the needs of the present without compromising the ability of our children and grandchildren to meet their own needs.

I would like to conclude by talking about a very sustainable fishery in my own backyard, which is the integrated ground fishery on the west coast. It is considered to be a sustainably managed, transparent, accountable and progressive fishery. This was implemented in 2006 and we are into year four now. The world has noticed the camera monitored, dock-side observer and independent audit within a scientifically determined total allowable catch. The transferable quota mechanisms that are now built into this fishery create total accountability, eliminate the old problem of discards and allow for an extended season so that the commercial boats can harvest at opportune times chosen by them, which has led to higher value production.

Canadians should be very proud of this fishery which was implemented and is now considered to be the most sustainably managed commercial fishery anywhere in the world.

We do not blow our own horn enough, and I am attempting to do just that.

I hope my speech in some way has made it clearer to members about how the department uses science and conservation and protection efforts to support the Conservative government's vision for fisheries.

Canada's coastline is vast and diverse, from the Pacific shoreline of rugged mountains, inlets and fjords, to the Arctic's complex food web and habitats, to the wide continental shelf of the Atlantic.

There is a piece of legislation that is key to governing our oceans. It is known as the Oceans Act. Could the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans share how this government is implementing the Oceans Act?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, the hon. member has posed a very relevant and important question. I am proud to say that we are making strong progress in implementing the Oceans Act. This government recognizes that the richness and biodiversity of Canada's oceans provide enormous potential for present and future generations.

The health of our oceans and sound management of ocean resources are not only coastal issues, they are truly national and affect all Canadians. That is why we have adopted and are implementing an oceans strategy. Canada has also established five large oceans management areas covering over two million square kilometres, designated seven marine protected areas with more to come, and recently held our first stakeholder forum for the Pacific north coast integrated management area.

DFO is working diligently with other departments to implement the Oceans Act and Canada's ocean strategy to ensure healthy and productive marine ecosystems in support of sustainable communities and economies.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 p.m.

Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

Madam Chair, DFO's scientific laboratories and facilities across the country do important work to support the department's mandate. The work being done by DFO scientists is truly world class. This is exemplified best by the top-tier recognition they receive, for example, the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize.

In addition to the scientific research being done as well as the day-to-day conservation and protection efforts carried out by the department, what is DFO doing to ensure that our oceans and their resources are sustainably managed?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, the government recognizes that Canada's oceans--the Pacific, the Arctic and the Atlantic--are critical to the social and economic well-being of coastal and rural communities. We support actions to preserve and protect our ocean resources through greater surveillance and enforcement along our coasts, for example. DFO is also working on furthering ecosystem assessments and our capacity to deal with increased activity in arctic waters.

Actions such as these on our own shores are essential, as are partnerships with other countries. This government continues to collaborate with international partners on ocean and transboundary water matters to deliver on DFO's mandate on behalf of Canadians. Sustainability continues to be a cornerstone of how this government manages Canada's oceans and their precious resources so that future generations may enjoy their riches.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 p.m.

Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

Madam Chair, the integrated groundfishery on the west coast is now in year four. Implemented in 2006, this fishery is being called the most sustainable commercial fishery in the world. Would the minister care to highlight the importance of adopting the changes that have been made to the groundfishery on the west coast to achieve such high praise from other nations, conservation groups and consumer advocates and interests?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, the Pacific integrated groundfishery is an important example of ecosystem-based management where all fish harvested, target catch and bycatch, is accounted for. This management approach was developed though a collaborative effort involving DFO and the fishing industry. It is particularly important for the protection of Pacific rockfish.

As my colleague noted, the fishing industry should be commended for its collaboration. I also believe that the industry has been rewarded for its efforts through such benefits as longer and more viable seasons and fisheries will no longer be threatened by excessive bycatch.

To be certain, in these tough economic times, fishers do not need any additional threats to their livelihoods. We are proud of this success story.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 p.m.

NDP

The Deputy Chair NDP Denise Savoie

The hon. parliamentary secretary has 29 seconds to make a final comment.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 p.m.

Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

Madam Chair, would the minister care to highlight the announcement of last Friday at Capilano that benefited west coast fisheries?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Kamp Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge—Mission, BC

Madam Chair, I would be happy to answer that question. I actually made the announcement at the Capilano hatchery. It was part of an $8 million investment by the government to improve hatcheries.

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Madam Chair, I have one question I would like to ask the minister, and the remainder of the time will be split between the member for Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, the member for St. John's South—Mount Pearl, and the member for Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte.

Throughout the world, trawling is denounced by everyone concerned with the sustainability of the seabeds. It appears, however, that this government is preparing to lift the restrictions on trawlers imposed by the Liberal government 10 years ago.

Can the minister explain to us why she is going to authorize this obvious threat to the turbot fishery?

Fisheries and Oceans--Main Estimates, 2009-10Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Gail Shea Conservative Egmont, PE

Madam Chair, I do not think anybody caught the first word the hon. member said about the type of fishing