House of Commons Hansard #124 of the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was chair.

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Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:10 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Mr. Chair, the Liberals did have a plan. It was called the green plan. This plan would have reduced greenhouse gases. It would have got us 80% of the way to meeting our Kyoto targets. The government killed that plan. It reduced the targets by 90% and it can get us only one-third of the way there.

Last fall the Minister of the Environment repeatedly claimed that the World Ozone and Ultraviolet Radiation Data Centre's world-class services would continue. Could the minister tell us if the move of the data centre to the Meteorological Service of Canada went smoothly and if there were any disruptions in service?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:10 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Yes, Mr. Chair, I can again assure my colleague that ozone monitoring will continue and so will the world-class service. I would remind my colleague that the Liberal plan was to impose a carbon tax on all Canadians which would impact on virtually everything and the cost of living of all Canadians. Our government will not go there. The carbon market itself is one of the most volatile and insecure in the world. Many of those who have invested in that market are wondering now whether they will ever see a return on that questionable investment.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Mr. Chair, I would remind the minister that his own Prime Minister has promised a price on carbon by 2016-2018, $65 per tonne.

The question I asked was, were there any disruptions in service at the World Ozone and UV Data Centre, yes or no.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Let me clear the air once again, Mr. Chair. This government will not now nor in the future impose a carbon tax on Canadians.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

An hon. member

That is what the Liberals want. The Liberals lost two--

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

And they may well again.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

He keeps going back to climate change. The actual question was on ozone.

Will the Minister of the Environment appear before the finance subcommittee on Bill C-38, and before the Senate committee to explain his outrageous accusations against reputable Canadian charities and finally list the organizations he accused of money laundering?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

I can inform my colleague I will be appearing before the Senate committee later this week, Mr. Chair, and I will appear with great enthusiasm before the finance subcommittee.

With regard to the member's confusion about our government's intention with regard to carbon pricing or carbon taxation, again I assure her that will not happen.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

There is no confusion, Mr. Chair. The Prime Minister made a promise to put a price on carbon by 2016 to 2018, $65 per tonne.

Would the minister now list the charities that he has accused of money laundering?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Centre-North, AB

Mr. Chair, again, our government wants to make sure that charities operate within the tax parameters that are set out in the tax code. Canadians support this.

I should remind my colleague opposite that her government proposed the carbon tax, a tax on everything that would hurt jobs in this country, and our government will not do that.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Mr. Chair, I will try again. Will the minister list the organizations he has accused of money laundering?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

No, I will not, Mr. Chair. Our government's interest is that any organization which has the benefit of charitable status, does nothing to compromise that status.

I would remind my colleague that Canada Revenue Agency rules for a charitable agency explicitly prohibit any communication or call to political action, encouraging the public to contact or oppose any government policy or law.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Assistant Deputy Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

That will conclude that particular round.

Order, please.

Now we are going to the hon. member for Mississauga South.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:15 a.m.

Conservative

Stella Ambler Conservative Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Chair, I appreciate the opportunity to speak to this committee of the whole this evening.

Clean air is important to all Canadians. When our air is compromised by pollution, our health pays the price. When our government came into office in 2006, clean air was and remains a top priority. Air pollution is linked to a wide variety of health concerns, including asthma and cardiovascular disease. Air pollution can lead to premature death, increased hospital admissions, more emergency room visits and higher rates of worker absenteeism.

Budget 2011 alone provided almost $870 million in renewed funding for the clean air regulatory agenda to ensure that we can deliver on our commitments and priorities on air quality. Because of Canada's diverse geography and types of industrial development, pollution levels and the sources of air pollution vary across the country. Environment Canada is taking steps that will make an impact on air pollution across the country. These include regulations to reduce emissions from vehicles and engines, the gradual phase-out of coal-fired electricity generation and regulations to reduce emissions from certain consumer and commercial products that contain harmful elements in large quantities. The government is also working hard with the provinces and industrial stakeholders on a new, comprehensive, nationwide air quality management system to improve air quality across Canada.

The air quality management system has been developed over the past three years with the unprecedented collaboration of the federal, provincial and territorial governments; industry; and a broad range of other stakeholders. As part of the air quality management system, Canadian ambient air quality standards for particulate matter and ground-level ozone more stringent than the existing Canada-wide standards have been developed. The objective of these national standards is to achieve a level of air quality that provides a measurable improvement in the health of Canadians. These standards will also be used by provinces and territories to manage air quality at the regional and local levels.

In addition to national efforts to improve air quality within Canada, the Government of Canada is taking steps internationally to reduce the cross-border flow of air pollution and its impacts. Developing a clearer national framework on air pollution through the air quality management system will provide a strong basis for further engagement with the United States on transboundary airflow issues, including the Canada–U.S. air quality agreement. Cooperation between Canada and the United States on air quality is ongoing under the air quality agreement, and also under the mandate of the Canada-U.S. Regulatory Cooperation Council. Over 20 years ago, scientists concluded that transboundary movement of air pollution from industrial activities between Canada and the United States resulted in acid rain causing smog and serious damage to our environment. Action was taken to establish a joint agreement to address the issue. Following 20 years of cooperation between Canada and the U.S., emissions causing acid rain have been cut in half and emissions causing smog have been cut by one-third in the region covered under the agreement.

In Canada as a whole, emissions of the key pollutants that contribute to smog, acid rain and poor air quality have seen significant declines since 1990. For example, emissions of sulphur oxides declined by about 54%, mainly due to reductions from base-metal smelters which were down 72% and fossil-fuel fired electricity-generating utilities which decreased by 45%. Since the addition of the ozone annex to the Canada–U.S. air quality agreement in 2000, Canada has also reduced emissions to nitrogen oxide by one-third in southern and central Ontario and southern Quebec. Environment Canada's initiatives have also resulted in a 34% reduction in emissions of particulate matter which is linked to respiratory illness such as chronic bronchitis and asthma as well as cardiac illness and premature death.

However, more effort on particulate matter is required, and this government is acting. Environment Canada is working with the U.S. on the expansion of the Canada-U.S. air quality agreement to address transboundary particulate matter.

Environment Canada is also working with international partners under the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe to address transboundary air pollution.

In just the past few weeks, Canada played a constructive role in finalizing historic amendments to the 1999 Gothenburg protocol adopted in Geneva on May 4. This protocol will result in further global reductions of air pollution by 2020. The revised Gothenburg protocol is also noteworthy on air pollution policy because it is the first international treaty to include a short-lived climate pollutant, black carbon, as a component of particulate matter. Black carbon is both an air pollutant and a major contributor to global warming. By taking action to reduce black carbon emissions, we fight air pollution and climate change at the same time.

This government is proud of its achievements in reducing air pollution emissions. We are committing significant funding resources to continue the work. Again, progress has been achieved domestically, with close collaboration among this government and the provinces and territories and also bilaterally, by way of our ongoing work with the U.S. to reduce cross-border air pollution.

This government has also worked constructively with our partners in Europe and the U.S. to finalize and see adopted the revised Gothenburg protocol.

This issue is of the utmost importance to the people of Mississauga South, and to all Canadians. This government will continue to address Canada's air quality issues today and in the future, to ensure that future generations can breathe easier.

I do have a few questions for the minister. My first question, through you, Mr. Chair, for the Minister of the Environment is with regard to the current state of air quality compared with other countries.

What is the current state of our air quality in Canada?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:25 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Mr. Chair, I thank my colleague from Mississauga South for reminding us about the importance of the acid rain treaty signed by a previous Conservative government 21 years ago, which has led to a significant reduction in illnesses like chronic bronchitis and asthma. Due in part to the acid rain treaty, but also to other measures, Canada has relatively clean air, compared with many countries in the world.

Despite the progress, though, as my colleague has reminded us, a significant portion of the Canadian population still lives in areas where they are affected by a variety of pollutants. This does have an implication for the health of Canadians. However, this government plans to address that challenge.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:25 a.m.

Conservative

Stella Ambler Conservative Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Chair, would the minister explain why we need new ambient air quality standards and regulations?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:25 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Mr. Chair, ambient air quality standards set a bar, so to speak, for the level of air quality that can be achieved in all parts of the country, whether the airsheds are east to west, north to south, or, in eastern Canada, where our concern is of course, south to north.

With new science and research regarding the effects of air pollution on our health and the environment, it has become apparent that the current Canada-wide standards need to be updated and more stringent ambient air quality standards need to be created. We will do that under the air quality management system.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:25 a.m.

Conservative

Stella Ambler Conservative Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Chair, what does the Minister of the Environment believe the economic impacts of the air quality management system would be on Canada's economy?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:25 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Mr. Chair, impacts on industrial competitiveness and implications for the Canadian economy, as in all sectors across the economy, whether with regard to our regulatory actions in the transportation sector or in the coal-fired sector, will be carefully considered as we move forward, as will the benefits of cleaner air. There will be economic benefits from cleaner air with regard to reduced health care costs and infrastructure.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:25 a.m.

Conservative

Stella Ambler Conservative Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Chair, could the minister please tell us if it is important to work with other stakeholders, provinces and industry when setting the new standards? When improving the air quality management system, is it important to include other stakeholders, and if so, which ones and why?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:25 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Mr. Chair, yes, indeed, in answer to my colleague, the development of the air quality management system has been done over recent years in very close collaboration with the provinces and the territories. In recent talks that I have had with my American counterpart at the environmental protection organization, we have talked about a possible future treaty along the lines of the acid rain treaty which would take ambient air quality standards to a new and better continental high.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:30 a.m.

Conservative

Stella Ambler Conservative Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Chair, could the minister tell us, would the government ever impose a carbon tax on Canadians?

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:30 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Mr. Chair, I will have to think about that for just a moment.

We have made it very clear. Despite the misperceptions of some of our colleagues opposite, our government has made it very clear in successive elections and in any number of policy discussions with our colleagues in the provinces, territories and municipalities, and at public policy conferences, that this government will never impose a carbon tax in any form on hard-working Canadian taxpayers.

The record to date of the carbon market is one of high volatility and great risk. If one were to look at the European market, the carbon price is less than half of the original investment made by most of the investors.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Assistant Deputy Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Does the hon. member have any more questions? If not, we will move on.

Environment—Main Estimates, 2012-13Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 16th, 12:30 a.m.

Conservative

Stella Ambler Conservative Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Chair, I am happy to give my time to the parliamentary secretary for the environment.