House of Commons Hansard #39 of the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was federal.

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Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:20 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the President of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada and to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, the former leader of the Green Party can never be accused of not being bold. I appreciate the degree to which she is very forthright in her opinions. On the issue of pipelines or fracking, I disagree in part with what the member is saying, but I understand what the member is saying and why she is saying it.

In regard to the LNG project, what would she do with that specific project given where it is at today? She talks about the negative impacts of fracking. I do not quite understand what she would do with LNG today if in fact she had the power to do something on it.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:20 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, liquefied natural gas, when it comes from conventional natural gas, is a viable alternative and we used to call it a transition fuel when I was in Sierra Club in the early 1990s. Nobody in the environment movement calls it a transition fuel anymore because what we are dealing with is not conventional natural gas; we are fracking. Fracked natural gas has the same carbon footprint as coal, so it represents a major lie to tell British Columbians, for instance as our premier tells us, that this is going to be wonderful because they will burn it in China instead of coal and that will somehow help. The global atmosphere does not care where the carbon comes from. Carbon from fracking, and the methane that is released, does just as much damage to the atmosphere as burning coal in China. They should cancel it.

The fact that this is being heavily subsidized for a group of foreign corporations is a scandal. Most of the manufacturing, by the way, is taking place in the People's Republic of China to build what will then be shipped over to British Columbia. They should cancel it. It is a massive subsidy for jobs in the People's Republic of China. Let us put the jobs in Canada and produce renewable energy here.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Mr. Speaker, I was wondering if the former leader of the Green Party could clarify something for me. Earlier tonight, the member for Nanaimo—Ladysmith said that he was excited about the geothermal drilling activity that happened in Saskatchewan that resulted in a gusher of a well.

The thing is, that well was actually drilled using fracking. We just heard the member talk about how much she has a disdain for fracking, but yet her colleague was talking glowingly about a well that was actually drilled using fracking. What is it? Do you support fracking or do you not?

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

Again, I want to remind the hon. members to place their questions through the Speaker, not directly to each other.

The hon. member for Saanich—Gulf Islands.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:25 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, I am glad to have the question from the hon. member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands.

Let us be clear: When they are fracking, they are fracturing the bedrock for natural gas and they are actually fracking the gas, vast amounts of methane are released. However, there are transferrable skills. People who drilled wells for oil can drill wells for geothermal, and that is what happened here. This is a huge find. It is really important to recognize that actually 10% of all the abandoned wells through Saskatchewan and Alberta have potential to be tapped for geothermal.

Let us look at the opportunities transitioning away from fossil fuels and into renewables. Geothermal has huge potential, and those wells at depth, 10% of them that are already abandoned and are a liability on the books of Saskatchewan and Alberta, actually have potential to produce green electricity, and we support green electricity. We do not support fracking.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:25 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Saanich—Gulf Islands for her response to the economic statement.

I think she will agree with the Bloc Québécois that the statement lacks vision. The statement contains some good things, but it is seriously lacking in vision.

She touched on forestry, carbon sequestration and moving toward cleaner, greener energy. The Bloc Québécois has presented a multi-pronged approach, focusing in particular on the forestry sector, which is a cornerstone of Quebec's and Canada's economies. I would like to know whether she thinks that is a promising avenue. The sector can work on research and development into products that allow us to sequester carbon.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:25 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Manicouagan.

I think the Bloc's approach is quite similar to the approach of the Green Party of Canada, because we need to invest in renewable energy, not in pipelines and fossil fuels.

I thank my colleague for her question.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, we have been talking a lot about some of the disappointing aspects of this economic update, but the biggest disappointment as far as I am concerned, and the member has been talking about bold actions that need to be taken, is that the current federal government is not stepping up on what have been immense levels of profit and increase in wealth during this pandemic. Billionaires have received about $53 billion in new wealth in Canada. We have seen the web giants making huge levels of profits, and they do not pay corporate taxes.

My question for the hon. member is very simple. Does she feel it is important that the federal government actually take measures to increase revenue so that we are not in a situation where the federal government then cuts supports that are vitally needed for people because they have not put in place the revenue side of the equation?

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:25 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend for New Westminster—Burnaby. I actually referenced the same figure in my speech. The fact that the billionaire class has raked in another $53 billion since COVID began is a shocker. We do need a wealth tax.

Also, I think we should look at the profits of the large commercial banks, which are taxed less in Canada than in some of our competitor nations, such as the United States. We are looking at the banks who have had record profits, and the billionaires have had record profits. Goodness knows, there are the digital companies, and as we approach the Christmas season, we endorse the campaign not to buy anything from Amazon, because those big offshore digital giants are eroding our bedrock of small businesses across Canada, whether they are hotels affected by Airbnbs or newspapers affected by news services that do not even pay for what they are getting.

I am very much in favour of looking at future revenue sources. Let us continue to push the Minister of Finance. At some point, we have to find a new source of revenue. We cannot imagine going through the kind of austerity program that I remember, and that I know the member remembers, from the early 1990s when we lost something like 30% of our hospital beds in a misguided approach to cut spending. It really hurt us long term. We have to be prepared to find other sources of revenue so that we can keep building the kind of society that we know we can. We are a wealthy country. We just have to get our priorities right.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ziad Aboultaif Conservative Edmonton Manning, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am thankful for the opportunity to get in the last question for tonight.

I have never heard the former leader of the Green Party talk about nuclear energy as a solution for greener energy and a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. I would like to hear her comment on this specific topic.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:30 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, I think the nuclear promise for Canada was best summed up years ago by commentator Fred Knelman, who said that nuclear is a future technology whose time has passed.

There is no future for nuclear as part of our solution to the climate crisis. It is very capital intensive. It is not labour intensive and it reduces very few greenhouse gases compared with the big winners. Energy efficiency investments and renewable energy investments outpace nuclear so clearly that one would only put money in nuclear if one were deluded and addicted to the technology, and I am afraid there are still some people in Natural Resources Canada who fall into that category.

Fall Economic StatementRoutine Proceedings

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

It being 7:30 p.m., pursuant to an order made on Wednesday, November 25, the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, December 1, at 10 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).

(The House adjourned at 7:31 p.m.)