House of Commons Hansard #23 of the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was project.

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Liberal

Jonathan Wilkinson Liberal North Vancouver, BC

Madam Speaker, I am not sure I fully understand why some of the comments need to be so personal in the House. I actually wrote that speech; it was not the Prime Minister's office.

I believe this debate was about the decision by Teck Resources to withdraw their project. As I have said a number of times in the House, that was the decision of the company. The CEO of Teck Resources pointed out very clearly a number of the issues with which we needed to deal. As he outlined in his letter, “global provider[s] of sustainable, climate-smart resources to support the world’s transition to a low carbon future” are critically important.

We need to move forward in a manner that will encourage the development of our energy industry in a way that is sustainable from a climate perspective. We need to engage that conversation. Simply sitting down and saying that we do not want to work on climate change is not going to solve the problem.

We are working to ensure that we are creating opportunities for the energy sector going forward in a manner that is consistent with our obligations to address the existential threat of climate change.

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Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I listened carefully to my colleague's speech. I agree with practically all his comments about climate warming and the climate emergency. It was a good presentation that unequivocally shows that we are facing a crisis.

I would like to ask my colleague the following question: If the Liberals are aware of this climate crisis, why did they buy a pipeline?

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Liberal

Jonathan Wilkinson Liberal North Vancouver, BC

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question.

Climate change is definitely the greatest challenge of our time. We have implemented many measures and developed the pan-Canadian framework on clean growth and climate change, which includes 50 initiatives to fight climate change in all sectors of the economy. During the election campaign, we also promised to exceed the 2030 target and achieve net zero by 2050. We want to work very hard to reassure Canadians that we can achieve these targets, and we want to co-operate with all members in the House on this issue.

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NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Madam Speaker, I am glad the minister mentioned the Calgary chamber's comments, because Alberta is hurting. There have been huge job losses there. Naturally, this project promised thousands of jobs. It promised $20 billion in investment.

The trouble is that the Teck CEO plainly said that it needed a partner, as its does not have $20 billion. Its market capitalization is around $8 billion, I believe. It also needed a price. According to the joint review panel, Teck was banking on a price of $95US a barrel. No economic analysis right now in the world will say that oil will ever be at $95 a barrel.

What we need is a real plan to create good jobs in Alberta, and not just in Alberta. Many of the people in my riding go to Fort McMurray for jobs. They want jobs in the Okanagan Valley. They want jobs in the Kootenays. We need a plan that will fight climate change and bring those jobs all across the country, but especially in Alberta, real good jobs that will fight climate change and put these people back to work.

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Liberal

Jonathan Wilkinson Liberal North Vancouver, BC

Madam Speaker, we agree that there are significant challenges facing the Alberta economy, certainly much more significant than are facing many other parts of the Canadian economy. The Canadian economy itself created a million jobs over the last four years.

In Alberta, there has been a significant issue with respect to market conditions affecting the oil and gas sector, and it is incumbent on all governments to partner to respond to that. There are a number of ways in which we can respond, but first and foremost, we need to actually have a collaboration with the energy sector and with the Provinces of Saskatchewan and Alberta on pathways to ensure the continued progress and success of the energy sector within the context of Canada's commitments with respect to climate that are based on science, not based on politics.

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7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Gagan Sikand Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

Madam Speaker, could the hon. minister reiterate some of the numbers associated with clean tech and the good work Canada is doing? I am very impressed to see how progressive our government is.

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Liberal

Jonathan Wilkinson Liberal North Vancouver, BC

Madam Speaker, we know what the downsides are of not addressing climate change. The fundamental upside is that countries that actually take the lead in addressing climate change and developing solutions to address the climate challenge creates enormous economic opportunities going forward.

Already trillions of dollars of work is going on in the clean-tech space. There are 180,000 jobs in Canada that actually rely on clean tech. Estimates are that by 2030, it will be a $26 trillion market opportunity, but it is an opportunity that is available to companies and to countries that actually innovate and are leading, that get into the game soon.

Therefore, for Canada to ensure that it is successful as we move forward into a low-carbon future, we need to be part of that innovation, and that is something we are very focused on doing. We have spent over $3 billion in scaling up clean tech. We are focused very much on ensuring we are targeting the sectors where we need to make emissions reductions, but also ensuring we have products and services that we can export to the world.

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7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Madam Speaker, talking about leadership, Alberta was the first province to have an environment minister. It was the first jurisdiction in all of North America to regulate and report emissions, the first jurisdiction in all of North America to set targets for reductions across sectors and enforce them and the first jurisdiction in North America to have a major industrial levy to reduce emissions and incent innovation and technology. That was all more than a decade ago.

Speaking of clean tech, in Canada the number one investor of the private sector in clean tech are oil sands companies. The last known statistics were of the $2 billion in clean tech, $1.8 billion was invested by oil sands.

Alberta is home to the oldest wind farm in all of Canada. Major investments of the private sector in alternative and renewable energy technologies are from oil sands and pipeline companies. They are Canadian and are world leaders in innovation, R and D and technology.

How come these facts never come out of the mouths of that minister or any of those Liberal members?

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7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Jonathan Wilkinson Liberal North Vancouver, BC

Madam Speaker, I would actually agree with a number of the things my hon. colleague said. Certainly Alberta was one of the first to price industrial emissions, under the Notley government, and that was—

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

Could we let the minister finish his point?

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Liberal

Jonathan Wilkinson Liberal North Vancouver, BC

Madam Speaker, Alberta has done a number of things.

We are very much wanting to partner with the Government of Alberta. We are working on methane equivalency. We accepted the output-based system that Premier Kenney asked us to accept a couple of months ago. We are interested in moving forward in work on clean tech with the Alberta government, in which it has indicated strong interest.

Something that we have talked a lot about is the fact that many Canadian companies in the oil and gas sector have already committed to net zero by 2050. That includes Synovus, CNRL, MEG Energy and Shell Canada. A whole range of companies have actually done that.

Therefore, yes, we need to build on those kinds of actions to ensure we are driving climate action. We need to ensure we turn that into an opportunity with respect to economic development, because we are producing the most sustainable, most environmentally friendly resources in the world.

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7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I believe the hon. minister made a mistake by unintentionally saying that the Notley government brought forward the carbon levies targeted toward major industrial emitters in the 1990s. Obviously it was a government long before she was in power. If he could correct the record on that, I would appreciate it very much.

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Liberal

Jonathan Wilkinson Liberal North Vancouver, BC

Madam Speaker, that is correct. It was actually elaborated on by the Notley government.

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Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I will be sharing my time with the charming member for Repentigny.

I will try to keep a cordial tone, as I have noticed in the last few minutes that there is enormous tension in the House. I hope my Conservative friends will keep the same cordial tone that I will use during this short speech.

On the way here, I thought about what we would be doing tonight. To be frank, I am wondering why we are having an emergency debate tonight. The reality is that the cancellation of the Teck Frontier mine project is the result of a private company’s decision to abandon its project because it sees that it is not economically viable in the current context. It has made a decision to stop investments, which I agree are huge enough, so as not to fall into a money pit.

I think the Conservative Party has always been the party of some form of capitalism. It is a party that clearly understands the implications of the free market system. I do not understand why the party that constantly invokes market forces, the free market and small government is asking today that the House intervene when a private company makes a decision. I find that rather curious.

In 2011, this private company based its analyses on the price of a barrel of oil, which was around $100. For the project to be viable, the price of a barrel of oil would have to currently be between $80 and $90. As we know, the price of oil is around $50 to $55. Therefore, I am wondering if my friends in the Conservative Party would like the Canadian government to end up supporting the Teck Frontier mine project, given that the market is unable to currently support this type of fossil fuel project. There is a really big question mark in my mind. I am certain that my friends in the Conservative Party would be happy to respond.

There is another rather crucial element. I do not know if members are aware of this, but the majority of large investment funds are taking their money out of fossil fuels. They realize that the climate crisis is real and that, in the next few years, fossil fuels will no longer be driving economic development. They are investing in the energy transition instead. It seems to me that people should be aware of this.

Perhaps the economy of the future lies not in petroleum resources, but in cleaner energy and the energy transition. That is something that is important to be aware of, and I think the financial community has come to that realization. In my opinion, if the main oil-producing provinces do not wake up to that reality, then they will be doomed to relive the same type of crisis as they are experiencing now.

The climate crisis is not a myth. Some people are even talking about this being the anthropocene era. Humans are having such a devastating effect on the planet that they may eventually render it uninhabitable. Personally, I do not want to live with such a liability. I am thinking about the planet that I want to leave to my son. The Conservatives often calculate the public debt and say that we are going to leave a public debt to our children. In my opinion, there is a much bigger debt that we may be leaving to our children, and that is the environmental debt. If we are living in an environment where the climate is constantly changing and the air around us is unbreathable, we are not leaving our children much of a legacy. I think our Conservative friends should think about that.

I think I know what this evening's debate is about. Perhaps my Conservative friends and I will say the same thing. I get the impression that the western provinces feel alienated from the rest of the country. I get the impression that they feel like the federal government has let them down. We can agree on that, because Quebec has been through it before. To come back to the western provinces' feeling of alienation, I could tell them about Quebec's special circumstances and especially about the impact that fossil fuels have had on our economy.

It should be noted, and this is quite important, that from the early 1970s until 2015, the Canadian government apparently invested $70 billion — that is the figure we have, but we will never know the real amount — in the technology needed to develop the oil sands. Of that $70 billion, $14 billion came from Quebec, but that investment did absolutely nothing for us and contributed nothing to our economy.

Another NDP politician I quite like is Thomas Mulcair. Before the 2015 election campaign and before he was flirting with the idea of becoming prime minister when he saw some rising support in the polls, Mr. Mulcair talked about Dutch disease. What is that? Dutch disease is the phenomenon whereby the value of our dollar increases to the point where it puts pressure on our exports, thereby leading to a downturn in manufacturing, which is based primarily in Quebec. Therefore, any time natural resources, such are oil, are heavily developed, the Quebec economy suffers. That is what happens.

This means we spent $14 billion to undermine Quebec's manufacturing sector. That is a fact. I could mention Dutch disease to any number of people, and they will be aware of that logic.

Briefly, it seems to me that if the problem we are having today has to do with a feeling of alienation among people in western Canada and the impression of being mistreated by the Canadian federation, I could tell them all about Quebec's specific case.

First, I should mention that twice during constitutional talks, when the Meech Lake and Charlottetown accords were signed, we sought but never received recognition. Not only did Quebec not receive the recognition it was seeking on those two occasions, but it also hit a wall.

Second, I would point out to my western colleagues that, in 1982, the Constitution was repatriated without our consent. Quebec never signed the Canadian Constitution.

Third, I would remind my colleagues that, in 1969, the Government of Canada launched broad consultations on bilingualism and biculturalism. In the end, the government realized that making Canada a bicultural country would result in recognizing Quebec's special status. The government therefore decided to scrap the idea and make Canada a multicultural country so as to avoid giving Quebec the recognition it wanted.

As members can see, on four or five occasions, the Canadian federation clearly said no to Quebec. If my Conservative Party friends want to talk about feeling alienated this evening, I get it because it has happened to us repeatedly.

In this case, this sense of alienation is fuelled by economic interests. Every day in the House I keep hearing that Canada is not doing enough to support the oil sands sector. My friends from the Conservative Party keep coming back to that and are constantly asking that we build a pipeline.

I find it funny we are never in a position where we have to ask for hydro towers to be built. Hydro-Québec has never received a penny from the federal government to help install its infrastructure, which contributes to delivering green energy throughout Quebec, energy that could also be used for the other provinces and even exported to the United States. Surprisingly, we are not hearing those speeches here.

When I look at everything that has been done by the Canadian government, I have one question. Think about the Trans Mountain pipeline that was purchased for $4.7 billion. Initially we were told it would take another $7 billion to get the pipeline up and running, but that amount is now $12 billion. That pipeline is going to end up costing at least $16 billion. Personally, I think it is ironic to hear the west complaining today about alienation and saying that the federal government is not doing enough.

Business of SupplyEmergency Debate

7:15 p.m.

Honoré-Mercier Québec

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez LiberalLeader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, on a point of order, I would like to inform the House that Friday, February 28, 2020, shall be an allotted day.

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Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

Madam Speaker, our colleague from Jonquière had some interesting things to say. He spoke about building towers, which is exactly what the Conservatives proposed during the election campaign with the national energy corridor. We wanted to electrify Canada using Quebec's electric power, and if we are going to use oil and fossil fuels, they might as well come from Alberta.

I cannot wait to hear the Bloc Québécois's stance on the LNG project, which we have been hearing a lot about and is located in my colleague's riding. The Conservatives and the Government of Quebec support the project, while the federal government has some reservations. What we do not know is where the Bloc Québécois stands.

Do I need to remind the member that Quebec consumes 10.6 billion litres of oil, 62% of which comes from the United States?

Are the Bloc members, like the Liberals, happy to make Donald Trump's America richer?

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Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, what a great question about the energy corridor.

During the election campaign I often used the following analogy. To me, the energy corridor project sounds like allowing someone to run their sewer pipe across my land in exchange for running my clothesline across their land. A sewer pipe and a clothesline are not remotely comparable.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the President of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada and to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, what I am hoping to see this evening is a positive contribution to a very important issue, not only for western Canada but for all of Canada. This is something we need be really up front with.

People in the Bloc might be happy to hear divisive language that would be disruptive to our nation. It saddens me. I know it saddens many members of this chamber.

I would like to see an approach that talks about the benefits and the things we can do to make a difference. In—

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Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

You consider the LNG project to be a sewer pipe?

At least now we know.

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Bloc

Alain Therrien Bloc La Prairie, QC

He was talking about your energy corridor.

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Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

Where do you think your LNG pipeline is going to go?

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Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

Let me remind all members that this is a debate and members must address the Chair.

The hon. parliamentary secretary.

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7:20 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, my question is related to the country as a whole, recognizing that western Canada, and in particular the province of Alberta, plays a critical role in the overall development of our nation.

Does my colleague across the way agree that we do not have to live in a province to have compassion and want to assist in driving that community and making that community a better place to live?

Personally, being from the prairies, I see great potential in the prairies going forward, such as in the TMX, which is a pipeline that will take bitumen to the coastline for the first time.

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7:20 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I completely understand. I feel for my friends in the west and the troubles they are facing. My colleagues are welcome to listen to the answer.

I feel for—