House of Commons Hansard #28 of the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was deal.

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Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, I want to talk about how that relates to the demands of the United States government. The U.S. government had a demand concerning supply management. It wanted to dismantle supply management because it wanted to protect its own dairy industry, primarily in Minnesota, where its electoral base is located. It succeeded.

The second aspect, which we believe is a bit more controversial, has to do with China. The U.S. government was intent on controlling China. The free trade agreement stipulates that, if Canada ever signs a free trade agreement with China, the American government has the right to review it. That affects our sovereignty. I would say that we do not want an agreement with China, a country where human rights are violated, a country that pushes the Uighurs into forced labour to provide us with manufactured goods. We will not accept that.

There is one more thing. The U.S. government got the two things it wanted. I was not at the negotiating table, but I do not think the American government was interested in culture.

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Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Madam Speaker, I will use my colleague's own words. It is true that she was not at the negotiating table. It was the Liberal government that was at the table, and the negotiations took place well before the October 22, 2019, election. I do not understand how the Bloc Québécois can take credit for gains made in an agreement that was negotiated last year. If the Bloc Québécois negotiated new agreements for Canada with President Trump, I am not aware of it. I think that what is happening in the House right now is a sham.

I would like my colleague to explain how she could have changed a couple of lines in the free trade agreement with President Trump.

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Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question. The Bloc Québécois did not negotiate with President Trump.

However, we did reach an agreement with the Deputy Prime Minister, whom we managed to convince. I want to remind my esteemed colleague that the Bloc Québécois asked countless questions in the House to make the point that aluminum could come from China, be processed a bit in Mexico and be considered to have been made here. For weeks and weeks, the government refused to recognize that aluminum did not have the same level of protection as steel. Even Jean Simard, the spokesperson for the aluminum industry, eventually acknowledged in committee that aluminum did not have the same protection as steel.

That is what the Bloc Québécois accomplished by asking questions and making speeches. We persevered because we wanted to protect our people.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the President of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada and to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, today is quite a special day. In fact, on February 28, I was hoping to give a speech of a similar nature. When I stood in my place on behalf of the government, I had asked for leave to see if we could begin debate on the very important piece of legislation that we have before us today.

I think it is important for us to recognize that, to the best of my knowledge, it is the very first time we have unanimous support from all political entities inside the House of Commons. We have the Conservatives, New Democrats, Bloc and Green Party members, along with the government of course, supporting what I suggest is an excellent deal.

I have been here all day listening to comments. The Conservatives asked about this and that. The Bloc asked the same thing. I listened to my New Democrat friends, and they also pointed out that there were things missing within the trade agreement.

This agreement is a win for Canadians. At the end of the day, when talking about negotiations—

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I do want to remind members that there will be an opportunity for not five, but 10 minutes of questions and comments. I would ask members to start jotting down their ideas and questions so that they can be prepared for that important round.

The hon. parliamentary secretary.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, when we are sitting around a negotiation table, it is not like there is the opportunity to say, “Here's my list and the lists for the Conservatives, the NDP and the Bloc of everything we want”, and then expect the United States and Mexico representatives to say, “Okay, no problem, you have it.” That is not the way negotiations work.

At the end of the day, we achieved a deal that is in the best interests of Canadians in all regions of our country. I would point out to members opposite that over the last couple of years we have had a significant amount of discussion and debate inside the chamber, and equally as important, outside the chamber, dealing with a wide spectrum of individuals, different types of stakeholders, different levels of government and different groupings, if I could put it that way, in order to ultimately pull it all together into what we now have today, which is an agreement we can all be very proud of.

The member for Yukon made reference to the Bank of Nova Scotia. The idea that we did not have to do anything is false. There was a presidential election, and it became very clear that Canada needed to be at the table to negotiate a renewed NAFTA. There were some members of the opposition who ridiculed the government of the day, saying that we should not have indicated to the U.S. that we were okay with sitting down at the negotiation table. We recognized how important it was to actually be there to ensure that Canadians' best interests were being served.

We can look at the final product, Bill C-4, and see the support it has generated. I just made reference to the opposition parties and the government, but different levels of government here in Canada, from the Premier of Quebec to the Premier of Alberta and many other premiers, are talking about how good this deal actually is for our country and for individual provinces.

We have heard unions, including trade unions, being very supportive of many of the gains made in this legislation. Both big and small business communities recognize the value of this particular agreement. Canadians as a whole recognize just how important trade is to our country and they are getting behind this.

For all intents and purposes, even though our Deputy Prime Minister has led the charge on behalf of Canada, it has really been an effort by so many individuals and they can take credit for what we have today.

I want to make reference to the negotiators. We have heard this in the past from other members. We are very fortunate to have some of the best negotiators in the world who are there to protect our interests. I suspect they continue to improve upon those skills because of the number of agreements that have been achieved.

Over the last five years, we have witnessed a government that has been very proactive in picking up where the former prime minister left off. We have been able to sign off on a number of critically important agreements.

From a different perspective, I listened to other members talk about what it means when we talk about trade. When I sit down with my constituents at the local McDonald's and they want to talk about trade, I will often provide tangible examples. In Manitoba we have a number of different industries. I often talk about our pork industry, as I have done in the House.

The pork industry in the province of Manitoba is doing exceptionally well. The vast majority of pork that is produced in Manitoba does not stay in Manitoba. A producer called HyLife is located in the beautiful community of Neepawa. Well over 90% of its products go to Asia. The jobs are into the hundreds. Those individuals are buying products, using services, living in that beautiful community and contributing to the economic and social well-being of Neepawa and the surrounding area. That would not be possible without trade.

Manitoba's pork industry processes millions of pigs every year that are sold around the world. We could talk about whether it is Maple Leaf in Winnipeg or Maple Leaf in Brandon. We could talk about the hundreds of farmers that are engaged in the process, from raising the pigs to ultimately having them delivered to factories or processing plants by truckers. It is a major industry in Manitoba. If it were not for international trade and to a certain degree some domestic trade, that industry would not be anywhere near what it is today. We all benefit, not only immediate communities but the entire country as well.

I often talk about New Flyer Industries, which produces some of the best hybrid buses in the world. The company is thinking into the future. It produces more buses than we could ever use in Manitoba. We need trade.

Our government has been able to achieve a significant number of agreements in the last four or five years.

We can talk about the internal trade agreement that was achieved with the provinces a few years back. Canadians will often say international trade is good but we need to work on interprovincial trade, and we have done that. Our government has been able to move forward on that particular file.

There has never been a government that has been as successful at signing off on international trade agreements as this Liberal government has been in the last five years. We can talk about the European Union. We can talk about the trans-Pacific agreement. We can talk about Ukraine, not to mention the World Trade Organization. A few years back a bill was introduced that dealt with well over 100 countries around the world.

This government and our Prime Minister understand. From day one, our priority has been to enrich Canada's middle class and those who are striving to be a part of it. One of the best ways to do that is to provide opportunities through trade. It is not just what is released in a budget or other legislation. A government has to do a multitude of things in order to achieve success at serving Canadians.

The types of agreements that our government has been able to sign off on have made a tangible difference in Canada.

We often hear about children and seniors having been lifted out of poverty over the last number of years. We have been very successful at doing that.

We do not hear much about the number of jobs that have been created by this government, and it is a wonderful story that needs to be told. I am talking about full-time jobs in most cases, well over one million jobs. It might be 1.1 million net new jobs. That is a significant number of jobs.

We talk about how we can try to grow the economy, provide more choice for consumers and add more value for businesses and entrepreneurs, and Canada has some of the best entrepreneurs in the world. One of the best ways we can achieve that is to look at ways we can secure markets into the future. Because of this government, we are now in a position in which we have agreements with all of the G7 countries. I invite members to name another country in the world that can say the same. We have recognized the value of trade as being one of those critical aspects of development required in order to advance the interests of Canadians in all regions of our country.

I am sensitive to the fact that, whenever we have a trade agreement, there are always going to be areas in which it would have been nice to have been able to achieve something a bit different, but as I pointed out at the beginning of my speech, it would be absolutely naive to believe that we could go in and win on all counts and get everything that we want.

President Donald Trump wanted Canada to dismantle, get rid of, supply management. He is the individual who made it very clear that his administration was not prepared to accept the old agreement. They wanted a new agreement, or they would get rid of the old agreement. A part of that also incorporated the thought that they wanted to see the ripping apart or taking down of supply management.

I am very proud of the supply management system. We have production controls, import controls and price controls. As a direct result of that, we are able to produce things such as the best milk in the world, dairy products and much more. Supply management has been very effective. It is a tool that was actually put in place many years ago by another Liberal government, and I can tell members that it is this government that is protecting the future of supply management.

That is absolute, because there is very little doubt in my mind. I think it was the leader of the People's Party, who had been a member of the Conservative Party not that long ago, who was espousing that we should get rid of supply management. I suspect he was not alone among the Conservative benches. I sat in opposition a number of years ago when there was always the thought that the hidden agenda of many Conservatives was to get rid of supply management.

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Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

They got rid of the Wheat Board.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

The member for Yukon is right. It would have been much like they got rid of the Canadian Wheat Board.

If we would have—

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

There is some going back and forth on a lot of issues. I know that people are getting really excited because there is only about four minutes left of the speech and they are anxiously awaiting to ask questions. I would ask that they hold onto that for a second, write down all of what they want to ask and there will be time, 10 minutes of it.

The hon. parliamentary secretary.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, the point is that when the Deputy Prime Minister, Canadian diplomats and negotiators sat at the table, we knew that supply management had to survive or there would not be an agreement. As a result of Canada taking that tough stand, we have a future of supply management. This agreement might not be perfect in every aspect, but I recognize, as I believe a vast majority of Canadians do, just how valuable this agreement is to our economy and that when we say there are safety measures in place, there are in fact safety measures that will be there to protect industries well into the future.

I want to highlight a couple of other things. I thought cultural exemptions were really important in this agreement, just in terms of the billions of dollars in that industry alone. I would argue that would not have been there if it were not for our persistence. For the first time, the new NAFTA has a new enforceable environmental chapter, ensuring good air quality and fighting marine pollution. Rights are being protected. Enforceable provisions will protect women's rights, minority rights and indigenous rights. It also includes labour obligations regarding the elimination of employment discrimination based on gender. The investor-state dispute resolution has been done away with. Imagine the millions of dollars that have been saved by getting rid of that.

The provisions to protect labour are the strongest in any Canadian trade agreement to date. There is labour value content that levels the playing field. The new auto rules of origin would directly secure the future of auto workers in cities such as Windsor and Oshawa. The agreement provides assurances on government procurement. There is the whole issue of the aluminum industry. Yes, we are concerned about industries. We are being criticized because there was not a high enough percentage guarantee. The last agreement had a 0% guarantee; this one has a 70% guarantee. We should all be talking about this agreement in a very positive way because it would have the desired outcome that would enhance and build Canada's middle class. It would make our economy stronger and allow for more secure markets into the future. That is what Canadians, businesses, entrepreneurs and individuals who have so much vested in making sure we get this right deserve. I can tell those people the government has it right and we will see the dividends once this bill passes.

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Madam Speaker, I watched my neighbour from Winnipeg North give a rather—

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Rousing.

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

No, it was not rousing, it was not grating. I am trying to put it into the proper context. I encourage the member for Winnipeg North to take a little drive. He does not even have to leave the Perimeter Highway. I know often in the city he only has perimeter vision and only sees within the city of Winnipeg itself, but he does not even have to hit the Perimeter Highway. He can go and visit Gord Grenkow, a dairy farmer who lives on the edge of his riding and in my riding. I know he would get an earful about how the government sold out the dairy industry.

Not only did the government allow the Americans to have more access to the market here in Canada by another 7%, which means that dairy farms are going to have to produce less and they are not going to be as profitable, but it also signed a deal with the Americans, who said they were going to restrict exports from 55,000 metric tons down to 30,000 metric tons. That is global exports, not just with the United States. The Americans are saying that we cannot send Canadian dairy products, like our great cheeses and ice creams, around the world because these guys signed off with Trump to allow them to curtail our dairy production. That is despicable.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I find really quite amazing that on this side of the House, we have been very strong advocates for supply management and that principle has not changed. Whether we are in government or in opposition, that has been a consistent principle we have had. That same consistency could not be said about the Conservative Party.

I have visited dairy farmers. It might even be the same dairy farmer the member made reference to. I am not 100% sure. Just outside of my riding I went and visited one of the dairy farmers. I can tell members that the dairy farmers that I have had the opportunity to talk to see this agreement as a positive thing. They see that this agreement does, in fact, protect supply management and they also understand that hidden agenda from the Conservative Party. They might not want to hear that, but that is the reality.

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Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Mr. Speaker, I listened carefully to my colleague from Winnipeg North. He reiterated his support for protecting supply management a number of times. He also mentioned that nothing was perfect.

The Bloc Québécois is giving him the chance to redeem himself. On February 24, my colleague from Bécancour—Nicolet—Saurel introduced Bill C-216 to amend the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Act to prevent more breaches in supply management.

I would like to know whether my colleague will support this bill that will prevent future breaches in supply management.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to the debate that will eventually take place inside the House when the private member's bill comes forward.

I can assure the member that the principle of supply management, as I spent a great deal of time talking about, is something that Liberals have supported for many years. As I pointed out, we were the party that introduced supply management to the House of Commons and Canadians by working with different industries. This is a party that will continue to ensure it is there for future generations. It has been well demonstrated by this particular agreement.

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Mr. Speaker, I do want to get to the member's comment about New Flyer and the great work that it does. I was surprised to hear the member say that he has been talking to dairy farmers who think this is a great deal. Having been there for virtually the entirety of the committee hearings and having heard from a lot of people in the dairy industry, I want the member to know that I think if he looks at the record he will find that dairy farmers are actually rightly quite upset with the contents of the deal for them. We heard that loud and clear. We heard that many times over. He can believes what he wants about the deal, but I do not think he should believe that dairy farmers are satisfied with the treatment they got in CUSMA. That would just be an error.

I notice he mentioned New Flyer in his remarks. It makes a great product. It sends that product all over North America. One of the challenges for New Flyer has been that it continues to have to shift jobs out of my riding of Transcona to the United States because of the buy America policy. There is no protection for Canadian businesses from the buy America policy.

Does the member want to provide some reflections on that, particularly in light of the U.S. announcing an intention to leave the procurement provisions of the WTO?

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I am very much a trade advocate, as I believe that when we see these formal trade agreements entered into, it supports our industries throughout our country by securing markets.

When we start talking about local promotions of buy American or buy Manitoban or buy Canadian or something of this nature, we always have to be somewhat careful in terms of the potential consequences of repercussions and so forth. At the end of the day, I believe that the trade agreements are a very positive thing.

In regard to the dairy industry, I have talked to a couple dairy farmers and at the end of the day, everyone believes that it could be improved upon. I was very satisfied with the overall discussions that I had.

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Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity to rise today. I have been listening to the hon. member across the aisle for Winnipeg North. In Saskatchewan, there is a radio show that is on every day, the John Gormley show. It has a frequent caller and his name is “Conspiracy Kevin”. I believe we have our own version of “Conspiracy Kevin” in the chamber today. We have heard of the Conservative hidden agenda and many not-so-accurate comments coming from the member for Winnipeg North.

When the Deputy Prime Minister went down to the States in the middle of the new NAFTA negotiations and blatantly made fun of the President of the United States at one of their talks, does the member think that helped or hurt our industry in the trade deal going forward?

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Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Bruce Stanton

Order, please.

Before we go to the hon. parliamentary secretary, members should not be doing things indirectly that they are not permitted to do directly. I appreciate that the member was trying to skirt around that and I give him full marks for attempting to do so.

We will now go to the hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, let me give a conspiracy for the member opposite. There was a prime minister whose name was Brian Mulroney. He is the original author of the trade agreement. I am sure members on that side will know him, as they applaud. Having seen them applaud that, I wonder if they would applaud his remarks when he said that this is a good deal for Canadians.

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Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Mr. Speaker, I always find the parliamentary secretary's speeches quite entertaining, but there were so many factual inaccuracies there I just do not know where to start. I am on the committee as well and have listened to the witnesses.

One of his comments was really concerning to me. He said that this is going to be a better deal for the auto industry. That is what the Prime Minister said and that is what the Deputy Prime Minister said during the election, but the government's own numbers on this agreement show that it is going to be a $1.5-billion hit to the auto industry, which will decrease production about 1.7%.

When the Liberals took office, there was an agreement called the trans-Pacific partnership that was ready to be signed. It was the new NAFTA, which was a plus $4.3-billion improvement to our GDP, and with this agreement, C.D. Howe Institute said there is going to be a negative $14-billion hit.

How can the member stand here and tell workers in Oshawa, where our plant just closed, that it was a good deal for auto workers, especially given the numbers that his own government took until the very last day to tell Canadians were valid on the economic impact studies? How is a $1.5-billion hit a good deal for automotive?

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, we could talk about the new origin rules that are within the agreement, which I believe will protect many of the workers into the future. It is important we recognize the loss of any jobs in any industry in Canada is something that we are very much sympathetic to, and we try to do the best we can to provide support.

Having said that, if we draw a comparison to what we have been able to do in the manufacturing sector, particularly in Ontario, we see that the manufacturing sector took its greatest hit during the time of Stephen Harper, when hundreds of thousands of jobs were lost in that industry. I will compare our record to the Harper record on the manufacturing industry any day. There are protections for auto workers within this agreement.