House of Commons Hansard #5 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was support.

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Rights of the UnbornPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, my second petition is from Canadians from across the country who are calling on the House of Commons to enact legislation to fully protect a child not yet born from the beginning of her biological development as a human being, the same protection granted to every other human being.

Human Rights in AfghanistanPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, the third and final petition I am presenting today is a petition from Canadians from across Canada who are concerned about the treatment of the Hazara community in Afghanistan.

This is one of the communities we protected when we were over there. There was formerly a genocidal campaign waged against them. When we were there helping to build Afghanistan, it was great, but now with the fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban, the Hazara community is once again under threat.

Canadians from across Canada are calling for us to have a memorial day for the Hazara people, recognizing that on September 25. The petitioners are calling on the Canadian government to recognize September 25 as the Hazara memorial day.

The petitioners want to see real leadership from Canada, and they look forward to the government's response.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Ajax Ontario

Liberal

Mark Holland LiberalLeader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I ask that the remaining questions be now allowed to stand.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

The Speaker

Is that agreed?

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I wish to inform the House that I have received a request for an emergency debate. I invite the hon. member for Calgary Midnapore to rise and make a brief intervention.

The hon. member for Calgary Midnapore.

Labour ShortageRequest for Emergency DebateRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Mr. Speaker, we are facing a national crisis. It is not inflation that I want to talk about today, but rather another very important issue affecting our economy and our country, namely, the labour shortage.

This is important because this shortage exists everywhere and on two levels. First, it affects all regions. No region in Canada is spared: grocery stores in Quebec, restaurants in Banff and factories in Ontario. Second, the problem exists in all sectors, including hospitality, tourism and manufacturing. Many employers are seeking employees.

For this reason, we need to discuss Canada's future and how to deal with this problem. We need to come up with solutions and implement them immediately. We also need to figure out how to manage this problem and solve it permanently. We need to listen to business owners, workers and all Canadians who are suffering right now.

For this reason, I am requesting an emergency debate on the labour shortage. Our employers deserve it, our citizens deserve it and Canada needs it.

Speaker's RulingRequest for Emergency DebateRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I thank the hon. member for Calgary Midnapore for her remarks, but I do not find that the request meets the requirements of the Standing Orders.

The House resumed consideration of the motion that Bill C-2, An Act to provide further support in response to COVID-19, be read the second time and referred to a committee.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

There was a minute remaining on the clock for questions for the member for Carleton.

Questions and comments, the hon. member for Edmonton West.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Speaker, congratulations on your election as Deputy Speaker.

I want to thank my colleague for Carleton for drawing the direct correlation between the massive spending and our out-of-control inflation. The government likes to pretend that it is a global issue, but I would point out that we have the second-highest inflation rate in the G7 and we are third highest for food inflation, so I do not think it is just a global issue but a made-in-Canada one.

One of my colleagues from the Liberal Party asked where we would cut. However, in the previous Parliament, we heard that the $80-billion wage subsidy did not go through Treasury Board scrutiny as required under legislation. We saw that money went to wealthy hedge fund managers, Air Canada bonuses and Lululemon, whose market cap at the same time was growing by $9 billion.

I wonder if my colleague for Carleton would like to comment on this wage subsidy going out of control without any oversight from the government.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Speaker, the Liberals have proven again that trickle-down economics does not work. They said that if they printed cash, gave it to government and bought up financial assets, this money would eventually trickle down to the working people.

In fact, it all stayed on the top, and the billionaires got one-third richer in the first six months of COVID while the working class saw its real wages decline. Inflation is now rising twice as fast as wages. It is a massive wealth transfer from the working poor to the super wealthy. Conservatives want to reverse the trend, stop the big government, stop trickle-down economics and restore a bottom-up paycheque economy.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, I first want to say that I agree with my colleague from Carleton that trickle-down economics does not work.

I am seeking the unanimous consent of the House to share my speaking time with my newly elected colleague from Terrebonne.

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Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

This being a hybrid sitting of the House, for the sake of clarity I will only ask those who are opposed to the request to express their disagreement.

Accordingly, all those opposed to the hon. member's request will please say nay.

Hearing no opposition, I declare the request granted.

The hon. member for Joliette.

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12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, I assure everyone in the House that they will not be disappointed by the important speech my colleague from Terrebonne will give. Also, I congratulate her on her election and on being here in the House.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, I will not highlight names, but there are members in the House who do not have their mask on.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I know only a few members are here, but I remind everybody once again to make sure they have their mask on when they are not speaking.

The hon. member for Joliette.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is important to remind everyone in the House that the health measures are important.

I want to start by humbly thanking the people of my riding of Joliette for putting their faith in me once again. I also thank all the volunteers and campaigners who pitched in during this election campaign. I am truly honoured to speak on behalf of the people I represent in Joliette.

I will be talking about Bill C‑2, regarding the economic impacts of the pandemic.

As members know, the pandemic caused a huge economic downturn, a recession. Some sectors had to be shut down to comply with health measures, and these closures dealt a blow to the economy.

Over the past century, economics has shown us that the least bad solution during these periods is for the government to step in with income support measures. We had measures such as the Canada emergency response benefit, the Canada emergency wage subsidy and the Canada emergency rent subsidy. These measures obviously need to be specific and well targeted if they are to be effective. This is why the Bloc Québécois was generally in favour of them. The Bloc is in favour of effective spending and against waste.

We now seem to be emerging from the pandemic-induced economic crisis, and that is encouraging. The latest statistics released by the government show that for period 21, there were just over 300,000 applications for the wage subsidy, which is about 10 times fewer than there were a few periods ago. We appear to be on the right track.

However, we all know that some economic sectors, businesses and workers have been hit harder by the pandemic. Some sectors will need more time to get back to the way things were before the pandemic. We think it is important to bring in effective programs to help these sectors overcome the pandemic. We believe in that, because we want to be able to count on the women and men who work in these sectors after the pandemic, once the new normal sets in. In the meantime, however, we have to be prepared to work together for the common good.

In one of our first encounters after her appointment during the last Parliament, I pointed out to the Minister of Finance the importance of targeted measures and predictability. Unlike in previous years, when this was rarely the case, these two components are included in Bill C‑2.

The two measures proposed in the bill will apply until May 2022, with the possibility of being extended until July. That provides some important predictability and, for the first time, specific sectors are targeted. This all seems great, and we applaud it.

Right now, the government is telling the House that action is urgently needed. The last period has ended, and the bill must be passed to avoid an interruption in subsidies. Therefore, we must hurry up, so much so that the government wants to invoke closure.

I would like to remind the House that the Liberal Party and its government are the ones responsible for this urgent situation. Did the public really want a general election? It seems that they did not, but the government was hoping to win a majority. Voters said no. Moreover, it took the government two months to recall the House. During that time, we could have been studying Bill C‑2 and taking the time to ensure that it adequately meets people's needs and the needs of our economic sectors. We did not get that time, because the government preferred to delay opening the new Parliament and resuming the work of the House.

Now the government is saying that action is urgently needed. That is obvious. It reminds me of a student who has two weeks to study or do their assignment, but who waits until the day before the deadline or the exam and realizes they must get going. Yes, it is urgent, but the student should have started earlier.

The government could stand to learn that lesson. It needs to take responsibility. If Bill C‑2 passes second reading, and the Bloc Québécois will soon be sharing our concerns about that possibility, we believe it will be extremely important to take the time to study the provisions properly in committee.

The bill sets out percentages for sectors such as tourism and culture. There are some more targeted and more accommodating proposals. There are measures for other sectors in general. The bill requires a business to have lost 40% or 50% of its revenue before being eligible for assistance. Are these percentages carefully targeted? For the Canada emergency wage subsidy, people will receive a specific percentage. Is that percentage appropriate?

All of this must be studied in committee. We need senior officials to explain the reasoning behind these percentages and share their figures and information. We can then decide whether the policy proposed in this bill is appropriately targeted. We need to do the work. We will have to hear from different groups and sectors in society about whether the measure is good and whether they have any amendments to suggest.

When the House passed economic aid bills under a gag order, the government had to come back to the House a month or two later to say that it was wrong, that it had made mistakes and that it had cut corners. Why? It is because those bills were all passed at the last minute, without taking a step back and without taking the time to study the bills and improve them. Sometimes, when we try to move too fast, it slows us and everyone else down.

At the beginning of the pandemic, it was important to act quickly, so there may have been flaws in the legislation. However, the government could have quickly done better by targeting the measures more carefully and by taking more time to examine the issue, rather than proroguing Parliament or, more recently, calling an election and taking two months before coming back to the House.

I would like to remind members that the wording of Bill C‑2, as it now stands, gives the Minister of Finance a lot of discretion. If certain sectors need to be added during the designated assistance period, she would have the power to do so, just as she could change the percentages if needed. Our hope is that, if this bill is passed, the government will use that discretion to support industries properly and respond to needs quickly.

One group is conspicuously absent from this bill: self-employed workers. Yes, there is the rent subsidy, but there is essentially nothing else in the bill. The people I have in mind are self-employed workers in the cultural sector. Supporting them is extremely important, but there is nothing in the bill as it stands. That is an issue I have with the principle of the bill. Why were these workers left out? That is a huge problem.

The government has hinted that there will be a program a few months from now, but how are these self-employed workers supposed to make it through until then with no income? This is very troubling.

Members may recall that, a few years ago, technicians and salaried employees in Quebec's cultural sector were asked to switch to self-employment to better meet the industry's needs. That is what they did, so now we need to help and support the sector. There are lots of self-employed workers in the economy, but the government is not giving them anything in this bill. That is a problem.

This sector is made up of people, women and men who need support. We must help them overcome the effects of the pandemic, which they are still grappling with. We have not forgotten them, and this oversight forces us to question our support for the very principle of this bill.

That was an overview of our thoughts on the bill. Once I have answered members' questions, the House will hear a wonderful speech from my colleague from Terrebonne.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:40 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Mr. Speaker, the NDP shares the Bloc Québécois's concerns about the arts and culture sector and its self-employed workers. The problem is that there is no real equivalent to the Canada recovery benefit for that sector, and the Canada emergency wage subsidy is not available to people who are self-employed.

That is why I was a little surprised that the Bloc leader was so quick to support Bill C-2 and say he would vote in favour. It is clear that there is a gap in the bill with regard to self-employed workers in the arts, culture, travel and tourism sectors. This gap needs to be filled, and I would like to know how we can work together to achieve this before the bill is passed.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:40 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my NDP colleague for his question and comments.

I would like to correct one main fact. The Bloc leader did not say that he would support Bill C‑2. We are debating it.

We actually have some serious concerns, in particular with respect to self-employed workers in the cultural sector. When we read the bill, we do not see anything about that. The government is telling us that there will be something, but we do not know when. The Liberals are telling us that this is difficult.

I am sorry, but in a G7 country with considerable financial resources, the state has the means, if the government is so inclined, to quickly put in place measures to support self-employed workers in need, especially those in the cultural sector. The government has the ability to effectively target these support measures.

For that reason, if the bill is passed at second reading, it will be important to take the time to study it in committee in order to discuss the points raised by my colleague.

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12:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, the legislation brings forward the extension of a great deal of benefits for Canadians and businesses in great need. I understand that Bloc members are open to supporting the legislation, and I applaud them for taking into consideration how beneficial this will be for so many people in Canada and our economy.

I wonder if the member could provide his thoughts on the idea that in any piece of legislation, it is difficult at times to be completely encompassing and that there will be some follow-through to come. Are the essence and principle of the bill something that he could personally support?

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:45 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, as I said, we are not yet free from the economic consequences of the pandemic. We need to work together to help those sectors still struggling get through the crisis. We will need these women, men and businesses when the pandemic ends.

The bill includes targeted measures and provides for predictability. That is good. However, it disregards the whole issue of self-employed workers, including those in the cultural sector, which is particularly troubling for us.

Why extend the measures for some sectors and abandon self-employed workers in the cultural sector?

We are looking at this bill and wondering whether we can even support it in principle. Why abandon these women and men in the cultural sector?

This is a serious problem.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate the member for Joliette on his re-election.

I think it was in the National Post this morning, but we heard that there are over a million job vacancies in this country, and we are still waiting for a plan from the government on how it is going to get people back to work. The Liberals brag about the low unemployment rate, but businesses are looking for workers.

In my home province, the oil patch is getting fired up again, with a starting wage of $55 an hour. People should come on down. Let us get these jobs filled.

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12:45 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, the labour shortage is a serious matter. The government has to do something about it and come up with solutions.

In the long term, there will obviously be the issue of business productivity. There needs to be a major cleanup at the department of immigration and that is something the government has to tackle.

There is also the issue of seniors. Can we put tax measures in place to give them a hand and encourage them to return to the workforce without losing all their pension income?

This is an important issue that we will come back to.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

Resuming debate. The hon. member for Terrebonne.