House of Commons Hansard #91 of the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was vaccines.

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Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

Bloc

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Madam Speaker, I enjoyed my colleague's speech.

I would like to clarify something that is of particular interest to me. In our national capital, Quebec City, there is a pharmaceutical laboratory called Medicago. We met with the people in charge last spring. They are absolutely fantastic people. They were very worried because the federal funding they were supposed to get was not coming. The feds were funding other pharmaceutical enterprises around the world, but not Medicago.

If the government had been quicker to invest in Medicago, all Canadians would probably be getting a Quebec-made vaccine.

I would like my colleague to comment on how long it took the government to support Medicago.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Madam Speaker, before I begin, I want to thank my colleague for her question. I hope that she will not mind if I answer in English.

It is essential that we listen to experts over the course of the development of our pandemic response, including on the deployment of vaccines. The federal government has put funding in place to support the development of vaccines and, indeed, the procurement of vaccines internationally.

I would love to see Canadian and Quebec-produced vaccines in the arms of Canadians to protect our health and to capitalize on the economic opportunity that represents. Indeed, similar investments have been made in the recent budget. However, I am not an expert in examining which vaccine candidate is most likely to come forward, but as a member of the government—

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

We have to give an opportunity for other questions.

The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Madam Speaker, I am really glad my hon. colleague went to the gym, went to swimming lessons and went to restaurants. Meanwhile, racialized workers are dying in the hundreds in the GTA, and they are dying from the new variant strains that are coming out of places like Brazil.

I would like to ask my hon. colleague why, last month, his government was called out at the WTO by South Africa and other third world nations for actively blocking their capacity to build vaccines. The Liberals have this “I'm all right, Jack” attitude to protect the interests of big pharma, while we have new virulent strains that are much more deadly.

Does the member believe that Nova Scotia and its bubble will be protected or that racialized workers will be protected when we do not have vaccine equity? People will continue to die? Why are the Liberals blocking third world—

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. parliamentary secretary.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Madam Speaker, I used the example of Nova Scotia not to gloat about the quality of life we have enjoyed, but to show folks that there is a different path should they choose the responsible course of action. By the way, I would point out that my sister lives in the member's constituency and—

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Is he saying people in Brampton did not take the—

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member has to allow the hon. parliamentary secretary to answer.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Madam Speaker, I will point out that my sister actually lives in his—

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

That is—

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Madam Speaker, I cannot hear. I think the member continues to interrupt. Can I continue?

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay, please allow the hon. parliamentary secretary to answer.

The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands has a point of order.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The member for Timmins—James Bay spends a lot of time when he is in the House criticizing in particular the member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan for his interruptions like this through the video feed.

I would strongly encourage that you suggest to the member for Timmins—James Bay that he respect the rules of this House and not engage like that.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

Absolutely, and that is exactly what I have just asked the hon. member to do.

The hon. parliamentary secretary has 15 seconds for an answer.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Madam Speaker, long story short, vaccine equity is actually very important. Ensuring that we limit the outbreaks in hot spots around the world and across our country will prevent further mutations from happening that could be vaccine resistant. I am going to work to ensure that racialized communities and frontline workers have access to vaccines, so that we do not just protect their health, but we protect the public health from a population point of view as well.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Madam Speaker, to be candid, these are very challenging times for all Canadians. Almost every province, including my own, is currently undergoing various types of lockdowns and trying to implement various types of interprovincial travel restrictions. We see more “for lease” signs going up in our downtown cores as many small businesses can no longer hang on. People are frustrated. They are upset. People are not united. We have some calling for total lockdowns and others protesting openly in defiance.

I am sure we all receive a diverse range of comments from our own constituents. If there is any one thing that we can all agree upon, it is that unless we can get more Canadians vaccinated, the situation will only get worse, not better.

We have heard many premiers tell us that they are losing the battle against the variants, that they simply do not have enough vaccine to go around. At the other end of the spectrum, we have a Prime Minister telling us all what an awesome job he has done to respond to this pandemic. Just ask him. We have a public safety minister trying to downplay his failure to properly secure our borders as contaminated flights continue to land at our airports. We have a health minister who actually tried to tell us at the beginning of this pandemic that travel restrictions would cause more harm than good. I mean seriously, we all know she said that to Canadians.

Now the greatest threat that faces Canadians right now is the variants of this virus, variants that came here because we did not have travel restrictions that actually worked because our public safety minister did not do his job to secure our airports. That is how these variants got here, by the inaction of ministers of the Crown from the Liberal government. People are dying today because of this incompetence.

To be clear, that is not the fault of the government caucus. There are good and capable people on the government's side of the House. The problem remains that they continue to sit on the backbench, while the underachievers continue to sit at the cabinet table. Why this particular Prime Minister is so rewarding of those who have failed to deliver the results that Canadians need and deserve is a question that remains unanswered, but here we are, in desperate need of more vaccines. This is the Prime Minister who decided that his first response to this vaccine crisis would be to hammer out a deal with CanSino Biologics out of China. We all know how that turned out. When that deal fell apart, let us not forget that the Prime Minister hid that from Canadians for almost three months. We are literally three months behind today.

The notion that Canadians might have to give up a summer because of the Prime Minister's incompetence and negligence is not acceptable to me. It should not be acceptable to any member of this place. This is a prime minister who told us that better was always possible. That is what this motion is about today. It is to say enough is enough. It is time for the Prime Minister to deliver.

I just want to interrupt the proceeding for one second to let the House know that I will be followed by a much better MP. The MP for Edmonton Centre will, I am sure, act as the chaser.

Earlier this week, Blacklock’s Reporter reported that 8.8 million pieces of PPE were thrown away by the Liberal government before the pandemic began and were not replaced. What is worse is that for a year this information was withheld. Canadians did not know that the Liberal government had done that because it had hidden it under national security. Unbelievable; national security. That is unacceptable. The list of failures is a long one.

We are now in a situation where we are only giving a single dose of vaccine and not a second dose of vaccine within the manufacturers' scientifically proven time frame because we lack supply. Literally, it is the lack of vaccine supply driving our response.

We have no idea how dragging out the second dose will impact the overall effectiveness of these vaccines, but because the Prime Minister failed to secure enough supply, we are forced into this situation. It is unacceptable. The Prime Minister likes to say that everyone who wants a shot will have a shot by the end of September, but that is just not acceptable.

The Prime Minister is the one who promised better is always possible. Ultimately, that is what this motion is all about. We are telling the Prime Minister that he does need to do better. Canadians' mental health, our economic health and our physical health all depend on the Prime Minister delivering more vaccines and every day of delay means more Canadians will die of COVID-19. It means more ICUs can be overwhelmed. It means more stress and demands on our health care professionals and hospitals.

I have said a number of times today that B.C. has more people in hospital due to COVID-19 today than it has throughout this crisis. Why? It is because the Prime Minister and the budget were totally silent on health care transfers at a time when our hospitals, health care system and frontline workers need the most support. Why is that? It is because there were no photo ops. At a time of our greatest need during a pandemic, the Prime Minister thinks the status quo for health care funding will do. It just will not. We are in a time when we need leadership from our Prime Minister like never before. We need “better is always possible” to become a reality and not just another broken promise. That is all this motion is asking the Prime Minister to do.

For those who say there is nothing more the Prime Minister can do, I disagree. Many Canadians right now hold dual citizenship. They can cross the border into the United States where they can immediately receive a vaccine. This not only helps them, but it means there are more vaccines to go around for Canadians who are not dual citizens. However, the problem, of course, is they cannot easily get back into Canada because there is no easy way for them to get back home. They have to wait around in the United States for a few days waiting for test results. That creates prohibitive costs for them and exposes them to more situations. Where there could be a common-sense solution, there is none.

Two provinces have made arrangements so that their truckers can get vaccinated in the United States. There is no federal leadership on that idea. We have situations where many border states have excess capacity, but again the Prime Minister has been silent on it. We also know there is a situation where Canadians have received both shots while in the United States. They are wondering when the Prime Minister will give them an easier path in coming home. Once again, the Prime Minister is silent on that. Virtually every question that arises on how we move forward is ignored by the Prime Minister. There is no plan whatsoever. Again, this is not good enough. We see the United States and the European Union figuring out plans going forward. Once again, there is silence from the Prime Minister.

This is why I first pointed out in my speech that Canadians are growing increasingly frustrated. The bottom line is Canadians deserve to see better from their Prime Minister. They deserve better. This motion asks that we do our part, as Canadians' democratically elected representatives, to send a message to the Prime Minister that he needs to deliver for Canadians, that he needs to up his game and that he needs to provide leadership that produces real results.

I will be voting in favour of this motion and ask that other members do so as well. As Canadians, we must always believe that better is truly possible. Let us vote for this motion and work to make it so.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, nothing demonstrates more how tone deaf the Conservatives are than the last speech we just heard. The member suggested that Canadians who hold dual citizenship cross the border, get vaccinated and then come back. He is advocating that the Prime Minister encourage that strategy.

Can he explain to this House how he is in favour of such a wild idea as that, as though that is somehow a solution? Is that how the Conservatives plan to meet this? At least it is finally a strategy. Is their strategy to get people to cross the border?

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Madam Speaker, I would simply point out to the member that two provinces have already made deals with states for essential workers such as truckers to become protected.

The Prime Minister, right now, allows critical essential workers to go back and forth between Canada and the United States every day. It happens every day, and they are not vaccinated. When someone tries to bring up a suggestion, and perhaps it is because I have the big “C” on my chest, he suddenly says that is not the way to do it.

What is the way then? Is it to take from COVAX? Is it to act contrary to all of our allies?

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:30 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, this time, I will salute my colleague from the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development.

We share some of the criticisms of the government, particularly when it comes to the late delivery of vaccines after three months of hesitation and the growing number of variants due to poor border control.

However, I wonder what the point is of moving a motion that is completely unrealistic. No country would be able to meet such a demand.

Still, there are real scandals. We need only think of the mismanagement of borders, health transfers or the local production of vaccines. I think that it would have been interesting to debate an actual scandal.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Madam Speaker, the motion is to talk about COVID-19 and the government's response to it. I have raised the question of vaccinations. I have raised the question of borders. I have actually raised the suggestion that the government does not seem to be paying attention to the variants that have come up. These are all things we can bring into the debate.

Let us bear in mind that every timeline the government has given, it has set themselves. The government has not given us enough information, and it has not given the public any sense of clarity. That is why we keep coming back, to drive the Liberal government to do better.

I appreciate the interaction from my colleague from Quebec. I really do hope she will support this motion because we need to put pressure on the government to perform.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Madam Speaker, I wonder if the member shares my thoughts on this. For a year and a half we have not seen a real concrete plan from the Liberal government, and that is why we are here today, having this discussion and pushing for a real plan to get people vaccinated in a timely manner.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Madam Speaker, we have policies right now at our border that have allowed, and I would argue continue to allow, the variants in. When the variants come in and there is community spread, it is an exponential threat. People need to have two vaccine shots to be fully vaccinated, but even the best vaccines only have 95% efficacy.

The Liberal government and the Prime Minister need to do better. These variants do not care about his talking points. My constituents do not care about his talking points. We need to have action that makes my constituents safer from those variants, results in fewer people in ICUs and gets more people back to their regular lives.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Cumming Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, I rise in the House today to speak about this third wave and the response to COVID-19. I really wish I did not have to rise today to speak about this because I have seen the plight this pandemic has hit people with.

People are at home, and people are frustrated. Businesses are closing, and people want to get back to work. They are absolutely frustrated with the lack of strategy. Dozens of countries have recently announced opening up their borders to the United States. It is a country that, early on in this, the Prime Minister criticized for its response to this pandemic.

I am speaking to this motion today, while last week Australia hosted its largest sporting event since the beginning of the pandemic last March. What is going on in Canada? In parts of the country we still cannot have even more than five people at an outdoor gathering. This is just not acceptable. Canada has fully vaccinated just under 3% of its population. It is a low figure.

It has also been explained that we have been spreading out the shots, going off label. Only 30%, a figure the government has been bragging about, has had one shot, so we are certainly behind when we try to measure against other countries. We should be doing better.

In the United States, we see cases and hospitalizations are dropping. We see businesses opening up and restaurants getting busy. Fans are returning to watch their favourite sports. Canadians are seeing this happen. They are also seeing the lack of response in our country and how we are falling behind.

The U.S. is able to do this because its population is getting vaccinated, so this is a sorry state of affairs. I often think about what the rest of the world is saying to itself. What on earth happened to Canada? We used to be known for, if nothing else, our kindness, our love of hockey and our great health care system. Those are things that we should be proud of and that we are known for.

Now we have positioned ourselves so people are looking at us to ask what happened to Canada, why we are so far behind and why we are continuing to add to lockdowns as the variants come. It is because of a lack of vaccines.

The exodus of small businesses breaks my heart. When we talk about who is essential to the economy, we think about the ma-and-pa operators whose businesses very much define who they are. It is essential to them. Since January this year, 220,000 have closed. Another ugly stat is that we hold the highest unemployment rate in the G7. This just should not be happening in Canada.

The worst part of all this is, rather than showing us there is a light at the end of the tunnel, which I guess is September, or showing us how we can get our lives back to normal like the rest of the world, the government is providing measures to help people, but unfortunately those measures are to keep them inside because we cannot get enough vaccines or enough testing in this country to get people back to work.

That is what it is all about, after all. I think it is a question of when there will be another global pandemic and whether the government, the next go-around, will call for lockdowns, saying that is what we have to do. Could we not be better prepared? Could governments not give Canadians better confidence that we are better prepared?

We should have learned from SARS and other pandemics and been better prepared. Certainly, we had some of that. We had PPE that was sitting in warehouses that was actually sent to a dump. We sent PPE to another country early on, and we had a shortfall. That is not planning. That is not being ready, and that is not having a strategy.

The reality of this situation is that investment in health care and manufacturing capacity cannot just be a one-time deal. We can look at AstraZeneca. It has been reported that we are paying significantly more than other countries, and we do not have the manufacturing capacity here in Canada to produce it. I would not really care about the dollar value of what we are paying if we were getting delivery, if we were ahead of the game, and if we could demonstrate we were getting better results because of paying more.

When we measure ourselves against other countries, that is not the case. The evidence is there. Look at Israel and what it was able to do without manufacturing capacity. Where is our government, and where was it early on in negotiations?

We have demonstrated as a country, particularly within North America, that when we work with our partners, we overcome extraordinary issues. I think of NORAD and how that was established with great co-operation between our two great countries. Where were we early on to not be with our American partners, determining how to protect North America and creating a strategy that worked for both of us? Where were we?

Even if we can get our manufacturing squared up in Canada, we cannot just rely on ourselves. We have to be part of a strategic initiative with other countries and industry. After a slow start, Pfizer, its partner BioNTech and Moderna raised the game and raised their output, gaining experience, scaling up production and taking steps to produce certain raw material on their own. The U.S.A. got in front of this and leveraged businesses and the public sector to step in.

We have enormous talent in this country. We should have reached out. We should have, as the U.S. and U.K. did, looked for solutions early on. We have the talent in this country to do it, and it was sadly missed by the government, either by ignoring it or being slow to recognize it.

The U.S. government gave vaccine makers access to supplies under the Defense Production Act, which provided $105 million in funding to help Merck make doses of the J&J COVID-19 vaccine and expedite materials to be used in its production. They got in front of it.

There will be no economic recovery in its entirety without a health recovery. We need a line of sight. We need some measurables, and we need to understand where we are going and what the plan is. That is what this motion is about.

One can criticize whether we can get there by May, but one of the frustrations of Canadians is there is no plan. We need to see the government move forward and set targets, measure them against other jurisdictions and demonstrate to Canadians it is on top of this.

We needed leadership on rapid procurement. We did not see leadership on it. Saying that POs have been written, that we have the biggest procurement strategy and the most POs out there, has not resulted in vaccines in the arms of Canadians. We should we ashamed that we have not been able to execute that better.

There is a lack of leadership on manufacturing. I recognize the government is now showing interest in this and is starting to put some time, money and effort into this area, which has been needed. I send my congratulations on that, albeit late.

I mentioned collaboration with the U.S. There is no reason we should not be able to work with our partners because we are such an integrated economy. We need to bring experts together to make sure we could get this right. If we did not know it before, this is something we should know now. I encourage the government to bring those experts together and make sure we are reacting to this better and properly preparing for the future.

It has been a year. We are still behind in testing. While the rest of the world has sped ahead, there is virtually no talk about the border reopening at this point. It does not even hit the headlines when the border closure between the U.S. and Canada is extended.

Overall, there has been a gross lack of leadership. At the end of the day, people are frustrated. They want to get back to work. They do not want to operate in bubbles anymore. Enough is enough. Let us show some leadership. The people I represent in the great riding of Edmonton Centre demand more of us. Let us get a plan and get people back to work.

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, the member asks where we were early on with our North American partners. While my parents were stranded on a cruise ship off the coast of California, this government was encouraging Canadians to come home. This government was looking for ways to protect Canadians.

While the former president of the United States was saying this disease was going to magically disappear by the end of Easter weekend, we were developing plans on how to support Canadians throughout this pandemic. While the U.S. saw an explosion in cases, with a death rate three or four times that of Canada, we were taking care of Canadians. That is what we were doing.

Is this member suggesting that we should have followed along the same path as our counterparts in North America, namely the United States?

Opposition Motion—Access to COVID-19 vaccinesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

James Cumming Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, certainly, what I am suggesting is the government should have a strategy to try and make sure we could get vaccines in this country. The strategy they had was CanSino. That was the initial strategy. How did that work out? If, by any measure, the member across would take a look at where the U.S. is now compared to where we are, he must realize there is an opportunity to get something done with them. A lot of the vaccines that are available are being developed in that country and are being made available to us.