Public Safety committee  I wouldn't say it's a sign of competence or incompetence. I would say it is a sign that perhaps there were some individuals who exceeded their mandate or perhaps were overzealous in pursuit of important intelligence.

Public Safety committee  With great respect, I'm not sure that my attitude toward what they did is particularly relevant here. I think there's a huge gap between the kind of intelligence that's gathered through torture and the kind of intelligence that's proposed to be gathered through these two measure

Public Safety committee  My opinion is that what happened to him is unfortunate. But I suppose there are situations in which these things will happen, and we have to do what we can to make sure that these sorts of activities aren't repeated. That being said, he's been accused of some very serious charge

Public Safety committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. First of all, I'm not clear how we can talk about the erosion of our civil liberties when in the past ten years there has been zero evidence of that with respect to these two provisions. I'm not clear that we're in that kind of crisis mode. Havin

Public Safety committee  But that doesn't mean these powers need to be thrown out.

Public Safety committee  There are numerous discussions in countries like Canada and the U.K. with regard to what 21st-century multiculturalism looks like. I think there are certain elements of how we approach diversity within our communities, how we promote integration and the notion of maintaining one'

Public Safety committee  I think it's a bit of a red herring to suggest that a lack of justice is at the heart of terrorism. Certainly if you take a look at the people involved with the 9/11 attacks, they were not people coming out of abject poverty. Certainly we're all in favour of justice and the promo

Public Safety committee  One certainly can't be in favour of torture.

Public Safety committee  No.

Public Safety committee  It's excellent to have that in place. There needs to be some transparency in this. But of course we're dealing with intelligence matters, where public information can be extremely detrimental. But that doesn't mean we're developing a scenario here where these investigations are t

Public Safety committee  If I could just add, there's a wonderful Latin phrase—post hoc ergo propter hoc—and it means that just because something happened doesn't mean it had to happen that way. With the Toronto 18, we got very lucky. That was a conspiracy waiting to be discovered. The next group may b

Public Safety committee  Who did?

Public Safety committee  Exactly, that's right.

Public Safety committee  No, but we were lucky that they didn't need to use those powers. The next group might very well be much more sophisticated and much more difficult to penetrate. I wouldn't want our authorities not to have these powers to deal with them.

Public Safety committee  Yes.