Bill C-11 committee  Sure.

Bill C-11 committee  They do have that ability. They have that ability right now to put a digital lock on if they wish. However, if I am making a copy for the purposes of time- or format-shifting or backing up, I'm using it in a private sphere and I've paid once to get it into my home or my private s

Bill C-11 committee  Well, because the economic incentives are to create more and more levels, if you will, of compensation for what consumers want to use it for. So I can very well see locks going onto CDs that will not let you copy to an iPod unless you pay extra to do that. Now, some business mod

Bill C-11 committee  Yes, that's partly why we supported the Canadian Library Association amendment, but I'll pass the question to Janet.

Bill C-11 committee  Potentially, the day after this bill passes, every new work will have some sort of lock on it, which will immediately give rights holders the ability to charge whatever they like for different, various uses. As I said, people at the moment are expecting, I think, to be able to ta

Bill C-11 committee  We don't think there's a need for levies at all on these devices. It's innovation-braking: the market will grow if you let people use content. They will buy more of it. If it's inconvenient and they have what effectively amounts to a tax on their devices, that will retard the mar

Bill C-11 committee  Well, that type of TPM I think will come into the market whether you have the consumer rights—which we are asking for in the way that we want them to be expressed—or not. It's in the market now. It's more a factor of whether business sees a business model in Canada. We don't beli

Bill C-11 committee  I think the simplest example is just grabbing your CD and wanting to take it on your iPod. Content is increasingly, as our friends have pointed out here, being downloaded and being produced digitally. The ways in which it can move from device to device are so seamless now that

Bill C-11 committee  I follow you, but for software in particular, you can make a backup right now under the Copyright Act. That was the balance that was struck at that time: you get to at least back up. You may have to get a licence for five users or three users or whatever, but at least you have th

Bill C-11 committee  Among all the groups there would be several thousand. In Quebec, l'Union des consommateurs has, I believe, 19 Fnacs, Fédération Nationale d'Achats des Cadres. The Consumers Council of Canada has several thousand members. PIAC, the Public Interest Advocacy Centre, is much smaller.

Bill C-11 committee  I think I'll say the opposite and say that consumers are up against TPMs every day. They use their iTunes and they realize that they can't put it on more than five devices because that's what iTunes says they can do with it. They are very familiar with the fact that you can't cop

Bill C-11 committee  I would say that you'd find there is a subset of consumers who are younger and more Internet-savvy who have more problems with the restrictions than perhaps some of the older users.

Bill C-11 committee  Yes; I think you could have that situation with the present time and format shifting. Some of the new services that are coming in will ask you to pay for a version that lets you keep it for a specific amount of time, or you can just stream it. For DVDs, again, it's one copy, effe

Bill C-11 committee  No, we don't think that's the case.

Bill C-11 committee  I think there's a fairly big effort in this bill, as I said, to try to steer—for the most part—non-commercial infringement towards the capped amount. That will generally dissuade lawsuits for unreasonable amounts against non-commercial uses. There's still, as we said—because of t