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National Defence committee  Mr. Chair, thank you very much. Members of the committee, good afternoon. Thank you very much for this opportunity to speak to you today, albeit it was a little late. I've scrambled to put notes together, which the clerk has, and which I'm not going to get through in the 10 minu

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  Mr. Harris, I hope my comments make it clear that I find it not only disturbing but somewhat frightening that we would take that step back. The independence of the police, to me, is the same in the civilian context, where the Supreme Court, in the Campbell decision, found it was

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  Yes. As I said, I don't see a distinction. If there isn't that independence, there is a risk that the police are going to be used for improper purposes. We can look at Canadian examples, such as the public's criticism of the Ontario government's actions in directing the Ontario

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  If they don't, Mr. Alexander, they're not doing their job.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  Yes. I believe by and large they have. There are certainly some exceptions, but yes.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  I think he would have a duty. Let's look at it at a practical level. In an operational circumstance like this, the military police would not have the capacity to move out unaided by operational troops. If the operational commander says it's too dangerous and they're not providi

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  Realistically and in a practical sense, in an operational formation like that, there would be a sharing of information.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  As I said, it could, but it would be resolved then by an independent investigation.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  Was the operational commander in fact accurate in the information, or did he have some improper motive? That's what the present accountability framework is intended to—

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  We don't seem to be communicating here. I've said to you that I have never witnessed military police officers or police officers who intentionally, for no good reason, put themselves in harm's way.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  If you consider Somalia a combat zone, I was deployed there.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  Did you hear me say Somalia? I was deployed there. I was the lead counsel in the Somalia trials.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  Well, it certainly was a danger zone.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  I really don't understand the relevance of the question, but I would say to you that in fact, quite frankly, it was one of the low points in terms of the sadness of the events. None of us who lived through that, Mr. Alexander, were proud of it. We did what we had to do.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley

National Defence committee  It was important in the sense that the public demanded an accounting and we provided that accounting.

February 13th, 2013Committee meeting

Peter Tinsley