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Environment committee  It's a different climate here than in Alberta.

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  There's no question. The other point is that it's not the salt that's delivered that causes any problem. It's the salt as applied in a particular place at a particular time, given certain local environmental conditions. The salt industry cannot control that unless it has somebod

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  We are, and that's why we've been trying to train them for 40 years. That's why in the early days of the CEPA assessment we worked very closely with TAC, the Transportation Association of Canada, to develop guidelines that were the running head start the department was able to wo

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  My feeling is the salt industry is not the object of enforcement with regard to road salts. It's whether you want to fine the City of Toronto or the City of Montreal or the province of whatever, and whether or not there's the political will to impose that kind of fine on a sister

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  The department has produced two years of annual reports. We've been briefed on them at stakeholders meetings. I don't have the figures in front of me, but they're very impressive in terms of the percentage; I think somewhere around 90% of the municipalities, counties, and provinc

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  I think we all agreed that was not going to be a relevant statistic, but I do believe there has been a diminution of salt. Do you have the numbers, Cynthia?

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  I think you can say that the amount of salt has gone down. I don't think you can conclude from that alone that there has been progress. As was said earlier, it depends on weather. Also, at a conference here in Ottawa last spring they talked about the effects of global warming and

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  Mr. Teeter wants to talk, I think, about part of it, but I want to specifically address the point made earlier, the point that CEPA deals with human health. It does, but it doesn't have to. In the case of road salt, it specifically was not alleged that salt was toxic to human h

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  If I may start to respond, we are not comfortable with the designation of road salts as CEPA-toxic. That's why we have argued that they should not be added to schedule 1, or they would be CEPA-toxic. At this point, Environment Canada has made a designation, which is sort of, th

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  The discussion, as I testified earlier, put out as a nationwide press conference stating that salt is toxic, and the headlines parroted back “Salt is Poison”--that's what hurt.

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  And that's what poisoned, if you will, the working relationship and set us back several years.

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  Once the cat is out of the bag.... That was the problem.

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  It was taken into account. In other words, the recommendation was that road salts—all sodium chloride, potassium chloride, magnesium chloride, and calcium chloride—were going to be called toxic. That's not localizing it. Obviously all salts, or any of those salts, are not toxic.

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman

Environment committee  Correct, but it was a discussion that caused the problem.

November 27th, 2006Committee meeting

Richard Hanneman