Industry committee  Well, they have to go to jail.

Industry committee  To the extent that they need to be made, a lot of the others can be very simple one-line amendments. The CACN, by the way, is proposing an omnibus anti-counterfeiting piece of legislation. Rather than doing a piecemeal chop and change, we need to do a single bill. This is the way

Industry committee  These regimes have been in place in other countries. Believe me, everybody would want to think about this. We have the advantage of going last. It simply hasn't presented a problem.

Industry committee  Civil remedies are not appropriate for criminals. That's the bottom line.

Industry committee  I was going to say that the RCMP has done an interesting study to illustrate just how profitable this activity is and why the proceeds of crime legislation is so important. It's in our report here. They do this comparison, drugs compared to intellectual property crime, a risk ana

Industry committee  If we had an intellectual property rights council that could consider these issues, that could prioritize them...that's part of what we're lacking. Part of it is to get some laws. The next step is to have some coordination between a variety of departments, where we actually sit d

Industry committee  We've provided you with one case study of what happens when a retailer is treated the way they're currently treated. It's an extraordinary story. He's charged repeatedly, and he keeps doing it. What is the common feature here? He's not going to jail. That's sending a very serio

Industry committee  He is a retailer. He has a store in a mall.

Industry committee  No, that person needs to be charged, as opposed to just fined. But what's happening—and I think Mr. Lipkus can attest to this, because he sees it on the ground every day—is that this is moving into retail. It's not just flea markets; these are stores in malls. And in the case of

Industry committee  I think you have to also remember that intellectual property rights are not a zero-sum game. Helping another country to build an effective intellectual property rights regime does not hurt you; it actually strengthens the entire international marketplace. I think there's a terr

Industry committee  I'll go back to the French campaign I cited earlier, the Non merci campaign that you're talking about. It's been going for two years. Look at the partners again. The ministries of economy, finance, and industry—that tells you how significantly the French treat this. They see it a

Industry committee  We don't have to amend the entire Criminal Code. When you look at the recommendations, they're very surgical. It's legislation and amendments coupled with an ongoing, down-the-road education campaign.

Industry committee  You're asking if it will make a difference. I think it is instructive to look at piracy rates in the United States, where they've had effective, vigorous laws against intellectual property rights crimes, and where they pay a lot of attention to intellectual property rights. As I

Industry committee  The point is that we know a surprising amount about this. When we get the study translated and you've had a chance to read it, I think you'll agree that we know a surprising amount. As far as I'm aware, only one person and maybe one official have suggested we don't know enough.

Industry committee  We can have as many policies as we want, but the issue is that it's not going to be recognized businesses in China that are sending us that, it's going to be the pirates. The issue then becomes, what do we need the Chinese to do, or what do we need whatever source country to do?