Justice committee  At a level of reasonable grounds to suspect.... I mean, look, if indeed the police have reasonable grounds to believe, that's not an impossible standard, so why lower it?

Justice committee  It is. If it's not lowered, then why aren't you prepared to have reasonable grounds to believe as the standard?

Justice committee  Yes.

Justice committee  If you're using that as the justification for this, then yes, change that.

Justice committee  Or it will occur.

Justice committee  It's the combination of who you contacted, when you contacted, and what other Internet activity you had in relation to it, in that time period, that can be assembled; that is what's so revealing. You can't do that just from—

Justice committee  I'm not making a comment nor attempting to impugn police. We set our law and we set standards based on what we think is appropriate. We're not attributing motivation. The judge has to live within those standards, and we're saying there should be a fairly high standard before this

Justice committee  Well—

Justice committee  All of the legal experts I know feel that there's a significant difference between reasonable grounds to believe and reasonable grounds to suspect.

Justice committee  That's first. Second, I tried to give some examples of cases, using you as an illustration, as to the kinds of information that can be compiled under this provision that would reveal a good deal of personal information.

Justice committee  I think you're the first person I've run into who has suggested that the kind of information one can get from land-line phone records is equivalent to what one gets through Internet metadata.

Justice committee  Yes.

Justice committee  I don't know the motivation behind it. I suspect the primary interest of the telcos and Internet service providers is that it may pre-empt class action suits against them. They have relatively little vulnerability. I think a more important aspect of its inclusion, which I tried

Justice committee  I share the view that the number of 1.2 million likely underestimates the requests. Rather than just repeat what Mr. Geist is saying, because I'm in agreement with it, I think the police currently have the tools to do what they need to do. I think having the standard of reasona

Justice committee  Thank you very much. My name is James Turk. I'm the executive director of the Canadian Association of University Teachers. We represent 68,000 academic staff at 124 universities and colleges across Canada. We've had a long concern with lawful access legislation as it has come