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National Defence committee  It's a leading question, and I'm not avoiding the answer, but it depends on who's running the show. That's the problem, to pin it down. If it is the United Nations, then we're going to have to accept the handicap of multinational representation at the command and control at New

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  I don't know. We've been uniquely unsuccessful with editorials, TV interviews, and all of that. The modern generation doesn't get its news that way. It's not the type of thing that shows up on social media, etc., and on blogs. I honestly don't know. We've been trying to get rid

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  I don't know the answer to your question. I really don't.

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  UNPROFOR, the United Nations Protection Force—12,000 to 14,000 strong in United Nations-protected areas—worked. Unfortunately, for the first time in military history, the people up front were feeling sorry for their headquarters in Sarajevo—it was the one being shelled—and the lo

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  They were, on the Croatian-Bosnian border, absolutely, and it worked. Those areas were, in the early stages, relatively peaceful, until the whole thing went to hell in a handbasket.

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  Yes, and I'm going back a ways, but in the mid-90s, when the people delivering the prepared statements in Parliament in the evening session didn't know the difference between NATO and the UN, that wasn't very encouraging.

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  I'm waiting to see. I can't pass judgment because I haven't seen any debates on the issue.

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  I think it had to do with the Canadian military not being happy with the Pearson Peacekeeping Centre either. They felt that they could do the job of preparing their people better than the peacekeeping centre could, because the latter didn't look beyond the training of observers a

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  Yes, and it was a very effective exercise, and it cost us.... I don't know what it cost us: 50,000 bucks or that type of thing. The money that we were spending was not a lot. It was a shame. We had I think a pretty impressive board too. We had a lot of good people on the board

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  Briefly, when we established safe havens in Bosnia, I made the point that if you're going to establish a safe haven, you have to go out to at least long-range artillery range and sanitize that area. Otherwise, you're just sitting there waiting to be attacked. On a lesser scale,

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  What I would say is that I'm upset when I hear people talking about our gunships. I heard gunships mentioned. We have utility troop-carrying helicopters with a machine gun in the door. When it's fired, the bullets can hit the ground but they're not going to be precise, and that's

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  I trust the Canadian Forces will. I know they're working on it—that's for sure—but the information is coming out in dribs and drabs. I have confidence that they are aware of that and will do something about it.

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  The reason that General Mitchell's idea could well be practical is that this would be done outside the UN. Rapid deployment for the UN is an oxymoron, a big-time oxymoron. Any time you try to establish a rapid reaction force, as has been done—and R2P falls into the same category—

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  The Australians showed up pretty fast.

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie

National Defence committee  Very briefly, we're not capable of assuming the leadership role. You have three infanteers here. Most of the boots on the ground, most of the casualties, etc.... I'm an honorary chief of the Toronto police service. We have 2,000 more cops in Toronto than we have infanteers in t

April 24th, 2018Committee meeting

MGen (Ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie