Health committee  I'll have to have a look at that. I'd be happy to send you what I've got. I have nothing in mind straight off.

Health committee  I glanced at it. I looked at it the same as you probably did. I didn't read it word for word. I went through it. It was a pretty large document. I'd be happy to send you what we have over the next days if I get your email address. I'll undertake to do that for you.

Health committee  Are you asking me that question?

Health committee  Well, I'm not a marketing expert, but common sense would tell you to make your packaging unique and attractive. Otherwise, you'd just be wasting your money. In fact, I was just reading some articles a couple of weeks ago going back to the days of the Romans, who used to do the sa

Health committee  I don't think I made that argument. If you're a marketer, that's exactly what you would do to make it attractive. That goes with what we're saying. We're dealing with consumer choice.

Health committee  Wouldn't? I think it probably would. It's the same as a motor car—Ford, GM, or whatever—or anything else that has a brand name—

Health committee  I haven't seen any evidence to that effect myself, but....

Health committee  I'm just saying that I haven't seen it, so that's my view of it.

Health committee  My organization regularly advertises on various set-ups, and I think that we would definitely like to have our say, if we had a say, and be able to freely advertise on whatever we saw fit. I think that's very important for choice and for consumer input.

Health committee  Both, I would say.

Health committee  No, we looked at other evidence, and the polling. The polling I think is very direct and very useful, but no, as far as what you're talking about is concerned, we'd be looking at what we see, our view of what's happening in France and Australia.

Health committee  I think it's just a matter of common sense. I think there are a lot of potential counterfeiters out there, not only with the product of tobacco, but with other things like handbags. You name it; these days, it's out there. I think it's a matter of how you view the evidence, I s

Health committee  I think valid excise stamps are pretty easy to copy, aren't they? I've seen quite a few.

Health committee  Look at what's happened in Australia and France. We feel that polling is talking to the consumer directly, and that's what we've done. If you want copies of those polls, I'd be happy to send them to you.

Health committee  Probably what's happened in Australia and France is, though, is it not?