Justice committee  I hadn't walked away with that impression from the studies I reviewed. But in fairness, that's not why we're here today. We're not here quoting study after study. There are other people who can do that, I'm sure, for the committee.

Justice committee  That's based on the study that I mentioned, which indicates so.

Justice committee  I believe it says it's down.

Justice committee  I agree that there's a radical change, but I don't think the radical change, from our perspective, is in the proportionality situation. That's already built in. The change comes in adding the protection of the public right at the top, so that it's emphasized for a judge right off

Justice committee  Is it paragraph 39(1)(a)? I'm just taking a look at the section.

Justice committee  I think that probably is right, with this one caveat, though: if you look at—

Justice committee  It's not completely correct.

Justice committee  If a young person commits what is deemed to be a violent offence and that violent offence will be subject to five years or greater, which all of them probably will be, it's also a serious offence, and a serious offence then comes into play when you're talking about bail. So viole

Justice committee  Sure.

Justice committee  No.