Bill C-11 committee  Right.

Bill C-11 committee  I can't speak to that because I'm not a copyright lawyer. What I can speak to is that we're not actually asking you to change.... What we're asking for is just to make sure that the bill says what it's supposed to say, what you have said that you want it to say, which is that the

Bill C-11 committee  No, absolutely not.

Bill C-11 committee  That would be the rights holder.

Bill C-11 committee  No, absolutely not.

Bill C-11 committee  I can't speak to the IT industry and what they invest in terms of creating these kinds of mechanisms. What we have seen and what the Copyright Board has adjudicated is that as a result of the technological innovations that have led to enormous efficiencies, the broadcasters have

Bill C-11 committee  I think that's what the Copyright Board did in the activities that resulted in its 2010 hearing. What happened is, at the broadcaster's request, the Copyright Board heard all of the rights holders together in one consolidated hearing. The performance right was considered and the

Bill C-11 committee  That's a technical question that I don't have the answer to, I'm sorry.

Bill C-11 committee  Absolutely.

Bill C-11 committee  Absolutely.

Bill C-11 committee  I'm hesitant to speak to that, simply because as a collective licensing agency we're not in the business of producing the music and distributing it. Our role is to collect revenue for our members. I don't feel I'm qualified to answer that question. I'm sorry.

Bill C-11 committee  I can't speak to whether or not the delivery software is compliant with all of the stations. Every station could be using something different. What I can tell you is that when this music is delivered to the stations, it's at no charge to them. They're actually obtaining and acqui

Bill C-11 committee  Yes.

Bill C-11 committee  Yes.

Bill C-11 committee  As I just mentioned, when the Copyright Board looks at ability to pay, which they are obliged to do, they would look at a small market station. You're paying 0.59% of your revenue and it's a cost of $700 a year. Let's say that music is 80% of the raw material you're programming