Transport committee  No.

Transport committee  I can only speak for Winnipeg, because I don't know—

Transport committee  —how it was reduced nationally. I'll let Brother Poirier talk about Quebec.

Transport committee  In Winnipeg, we started with over 600 employees within the maintenance base when ACTS existed, when it was sold to Aveos. We were down to 330 unionized mechanics when they went bankrupt. So we lost half our workforce within just a couple of years of Aveos purchasing ACTS.

Transport committee  One of the ideas we had was work role changes that we could have implemented at the time. But prior to doing something like that, you have to understand the expenses that Aveos had. When we spoke to Aveos management prior to them filing for CCAA, they had advised us that they we

Transport committee  Every company talks about the cost of labour as being an issue. The cost of labour was not—

Transport committee  Hangar costs were exorbitant expenses. One of the things that I noticed with Aveos, when they purchased their ACTS from Air Canada, was the money flow they had for implementation of new purchasing processes, new computer programs, lean management programs that they launched. The

Transport committee  We were in the middle of bargaining when this occurred.

Transport committee  Chuck and I and my colleagues had scheduled several meetings with Mr. Kolshak and his group, and strangely enough, prior to those meetings they were always cancelled. We never had the ability to speak with Mr. Kolshak in regard to any of that when he was in charge.

Transport committee  And yes, we had a concern about that.

Transport committee  Yes, we did.

Transport committee  That's not what I was saying at all.

Transport committee  Aveos, from what we've seen, was a money-spending business, not a money-generating business.

Transport committee  We attended quarterly meetings with Air Canada and Aveos that dealt with the scheduling of heavy maintenance programs throughout the year, in all three locations. During these meetings, we would set a Gantt chart, as it was called, which was the heavy maintenance schedule for the