Citizenship and Immigration committee  It's clear that I disagree with some of the people here at the committee, but in my view there is no queue. That's because, first of all, the UN refugee convention allows for someone to come to a host country under the convention to seek protection. Here, Mr. Collacott said that

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I don't refer to it much in my brief, but there are other briefs presented. Certainly from a legal view there is a combination in both the designation of countries of origin and of foreign nationals as group arrivals. In both situations the concern is that the criteria for the de

Citizenship and Immigration committee  The concern is that it's too broad and too vague.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  No.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  They're all in my brief, with footnotes. You'll have the exact numbers. There's also a quote from about a year ago by the minister—I forget his name—who stated and retracted the policy, saying that it was a bad idea. But it's all in the brief, sir.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Let me say this. One of the quotes in there is from Alice Edwards, who is the principal researcher for the UNHCR. So I think you'll find it's quite the opposite.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  With regard to the increase in numbers, the mandatory detention policy was put in place in 1994. You will find the chart in there showing significant increases each year. It stopped in 2001, and there was a decline.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I'm saying that what caused the decline in 2001 was the Pacific solution, when they actually kept all boats from arriving in Australia and sent them to Nauru.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Then they achieved.... But sir, as a reasonable—

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I'm not going to—

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I don't want to get into a debate.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I've stopped.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Of course.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Certainly. I take bogus refugee to mean a fraudulent refugee. By that I mean someone who knows they are not a refugee and they're coming to Canada anyway. In other words, they are abusing Canada's refugee system. I think where the confusion occurs is with this notion of failed r

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I've already mentioned to you this notion of determination within six to seven months. I accept the concept of a designated country of origin. I accept the notion, though not everybody will agree with me, that there are some so-called advocacy communities, but I think it's possib