Transport committee  Okay.

Transport committee  —of buying an electric vehicle being two times—

Transport committee  We don't use passenger cars, so all I can say is that the commercial fleet that we are buying—perhaps in part because it has maybe not had as much investment as the Chevy Volt has.... There are not an awful lot of commercial, really large, electric vehicle users. Perhaps that's w

Transport committee  It's three times, yes.

Transport committee  Well, 300%, is that the same as three times?

Transport committee  It's okay. It just seemed like a lot.

Transport committee  Look, for example, at the eStar, which is one of our most recent battery electric vehicle purchases. It's a Class 2c-3 electric truck. It's very much like a parcel deliveries step van. The retail price of that unit—one that's not upfitted—is $150,000 U.S. That's just the going pr

Transport committee  Transit Connects?

Transport committee  Yes, it's roughly the same. I believe the Ford Transit Connect—I'm not sure what its market price is, but it's somewhere around $65,000 for us.

Transport committee  Pretty much.

Transport committee  No, that's electric.

Transport committee  No, no, that's the eStar, the larger truck.

Transport committee  I have to say that I'm really not able to answer that and I haven't calculated those things.

Transport committee  Actually, in London, Waterman Avenue depot 5 is the only facility in Canada right now that has natural gas equipped vehicles. We have 10 Ford Transit Connect vehicles in London. We selected that location because it was used a number of years ago for natural gas experimentation as

Transport committee  Are we speaking of natural gas or propane, or any?